Trample blocking

Started by Mlerner12, September 29, 2013, 02:19:50 PM

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Mlerner12

Here's the situation: my opponent has a 5/5 Voice token and I have a 3/3 {Battkewise Hoplitr} and a {Ascended Lawmage}. He swings with the token. I double block, killing his creature. He said that it kills both creatures because it deals 3 to one and 2 to the other. It doesn't have trample, and he said all spare damage goes through to all remaining blockers, but not the player. Can you help me prove him wrong? It doesn't have trample, so why would it deal to the other blocker????

Pirate John

Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 29, 2013, 02:19:50 PM
Here's the situation: my opponent has a 5/5 Voice token and I have a 3/3 {Battkewise Hoplitr} and a {Ascended Lawmage}. He swings with the token. I double block, killing his creature. He said that it kills both creatures because it deals 3 to one and 2 to the other. It doesn't have trample, and he said all spare damage goes through to all remaining blockers, but not the player. Can you help me prove him wrong? It doesn't have trample, so why would it deal to the other blocker????

Attacking player chooses attackers.
Defending player chooses blockers.
Attacker allocates damage as he sees fit.

Attackers only have to assign leathal damage to blockers. If a creature has trample, it's allowed to assign damage outside of that lethal damage to a player/planeswalker. Trample isn't needed to assign damage to an extra blocking creature

Mlerner12

Quote from: Pirate John on September 29, 2013, 02:25:08 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on September 29, 2013, 02:19:50 PM
Here's the situation: my opponent has a 5/5 Voice token and I have a 3/3 {Battkewise Hoplitr} and a {Ascended Lawmage}. He swings with the token. I double block, killing his creature. He said that it kills both creatures because it deals 3 to one and 2 to the other. It doesn't have trample, and he said all spare damage goes through to all remaining blockers, but not the player. Can you help me prove him wrong? It doesn't have trample, so why would it deal to the other blocker????

Attacking player chooses attackers.
Defending player chooses blockers.
Attacker allocates damage as he sees fit.

Attackers only have to assign leathal damage to blockers. If a creature has trample, it's allowed to assign damage outside of that lethal damage to a player/planeswalker. Trample isn't needed to assign damage to an extra blocking creature
Could you back this with a rule please?

Pirate John

#3
{510.1d} A blocking creature assigns combat damage to the creatures it's blocking. If it isn't currently blocking any creatures (if, for example, they were destroyed or removed from combat), it assigns no combat damage. If it's blocking exactly one creature, it assigns all its combat damage to that creature. {If it's blocking two or more creatures, it assigns its combat damage to those creatures according to the damage assignment order announced for it. This may allow the blocking creature to divide its combat damage. However, it can't assign combat damage to a creature that it's blocking unless, when combat damage assignments are complete, each creature that precedes that blocked creature is assigned lethal damage.} When checking for assigned lethal damage, take into account damage already marked on the creature and damage from other creatures that's being assigned during the same combat damage step, but not any abilities or effects that might change the amount of damage that's actually dealt. An amount of damage that's greater than a creature's lethal damage may be assigned to it.

+1karma? (:

MementoMori

You quoted the wrong rule. That's for blocking creatures, not attacking. This is the one you wanted:
Quote510.1c: A blocked creature assigns its combat damage to the creatures blocking it. If no creatures are currently blocking it (if, for example, they were destroyed or removed from combat), it assigns no combat damage. If exactly one creature is blocking it, it assigns all its combat damage to that creature. If two or more creatures are blocking it, it assigns its combat damage to those creatures according to the damage assignment order announced for it. This may allow the blocked creature to divide its combat damage. However, it can't assign combat damage to a creature that's blocking it unless, when combat damage assignments are complete, each creature that precedes that blocking creature in its order is assigned lethal damage. When checking for assigned lethal damage, take into account damage already marked on the creature and damage from other creatures that's being assigned during the same combat damage step, but not any abilities or effects that might change the amount of damage that's actually dealt. An amount of damage that's greater than a creature's lethal damage may be assigned to it.
Example: The damage assignment order of an attacking Vastwood Gorger (a 5/6 creature) is Pride Guardian (a 0/3 creature) then Llanowar Elves (a 1/1 creature). Vastwood Gorger can assign 3 damage to the Guardian and 2 damage to the Elves, 4 damage to the Guardian and 1 damage to the Elves, or 5 damage to the Guardian.

Pirate John

Ooh missed it. Thanks for the fix