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[Boringanarchy2]

There is no society, there are only individuals. Wealth are not created by society, but by individuals, solitary and organised. The right way to distribute wealth is by voluntary trade, not by forceful extortion. Do not steal. In socialism one group of individuals exploit the other group forcefully, under false pretences. This is stealing. Mandatory insurance proposed by socialists is illegal under iMtG law, as a kind of stealing.

The Ayn Rand is strong with this one.

[Piotr]

There is no society, there are only individuals. Wealth are not created by society, but by individuals, solitary and organised. The right way to distribute wealth is by voluntary trade, not by forceful extortion. Do not steal. In socialism one group of individuals exploit the other group forcefully, under false pretences. This is stealing. Mandatory insurance proposed by socialists is illegal under iMtG law, as a kind of stealing.

The Ayn Rand is strong with this one.

She figured some things quite right. The Marx and Engels seems to be strong with you, and they are clearly on the dark side.

[Boringanarchy2]

There is no society, there are only individuals. Wealth are not created by society, but by individuals, solitary and organised. The right way to distribute wealth is by voluntary trade, not by forceful extortion. Do not steal. In socialism one group of individuals exploit the other group forcefully, under false pretences. This is stealing. Mandatory insurance proposed by socialists is illegal under iMtG law, as a kind of stealing.

The Ayn Rand is strong with this one.

She figured some things quite right. The Marx and Engels seems to be strong with you, and they are clearly on the dark side.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6LYP2SRhe3U/TrYlirpRLuI/AAAAAAAAaF8/WJxY-0iUa60/s1600/comic%2Batlas_shrugged.gif

Those who think of themselves as individuals and society simply as a collection individuals seem to ignore the fact that people found working together helped ideas an technology evolve quicker for a reason.

[Piotr]

There is no society, there are only individuals. Wealth are not created by society, but by individuals, solitary and organised. The right way to distribute wealth is by voluntary trade, not by forceful extortion. Do not steal. In socialism one group of individuals exploit the other group forcefully, under false pretences. This is stealing. Mandatory insurance proposed by socialists is illegal under iMtG law, as a kind of stealing.

The Ayn Rand is strong with this one.

She figured some things quite right. The Marx and Engels seems to be strong with you, and they are clearly on the dark side.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6LYP2SRhe3U/TrYlirpRLuI/AAAAAAAAaF8/WJxY-0iUa60/s1600/comic%2Batlas_shrugged.gif

Those who think of themselves as individuals and society simply as a collection individuals seem to ignore the fact that people found working together helped ideas an technology evolve quicker for a reason.

Did you read the book?

We acknowledge scientifically proven fact that people are better working together voluntarily, not under force. Socialists believe otherwise and they are wrong.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

There is no society, there are only individuals. Wealth are not created by society, but by individuals, solitary and organised. The right way to distribute wealth is by voluntary trade, not by forceful extortion. Do not steal. In socialism one group of individuals exploit the other group forcefully, under false pretences. This is stealing. Mandatory insurance proposed by socialists is illegal under iMtG law, as a kind of stealing.

Well again, we are talking about real laws like the U.S. Constitution. And requiring individuals to contribute to services that help the society is not stealing, exploiting or extortion.

Forcing individuals to give up their wealth for services they don't want nor need is sealing, exploiting and extortion under any kind of honest logic. Unfortunately you do not seem to follow honest logic.

There are only two kinds of socialists: naive and crooks. You seem to be of the naive kind, that's why we're still talking.

I am not naive, I just think that the well being and survival of humans is worth the small amount of money taken out of my check each week. Sorry for being a decent human being. If you think your money is more important than humans lives, dig a hole, bring your money with you and bury yourself there.

Do you know why socialism and communism don't work? It's because greedy individuals like yourself believe you are better than your fellow man and deserve more than everyone else does.

Lastly, I know that the unemployment and welfare systems are broken, if you look at previous posts you will see that, but I don't believe we should make millions die from starvation because a few thousand are taking advantage of the system.

[Boringanarchy2]

There is no society, there are only individuals. Wealth are not created by society, but by individuals, solitary and organised. The right way to distribute wealth is by voluntary trade, not by forceful extortion. Do not steal. In socialism one group of individuals exploit the other group forcefully, under false pretences. This is stealing. Mandatory insurance proposed by socialists is illegal under iMtG law, as a kind of stealing.

The Ayn Rand is strong with this one.

She figured some things quite right. The Marx and Engels seems to be strong with you, and they are clearly on the dark side.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6LYP2SRhe3U/TrYlirpRLuI/AAAAAAAAaF8/WJxY-0iUa60/s1600/comic%2Batlas_shrugged.gif

Those who think of themselves as individuals and society simply as a collection individuals seem to ignore the fact that people found working together helped ideas an technology evolve quicker for a reason.

Did you read the book?

We acknowledge scientifically proven fact that people are better working together voluntarily, not under force. Socialists believe otherwise and they are wrong.

You're misrepresentation of science, society, and socialism is noted.

[Piotr]

Millions die? You re mad.

[5/9 Turtle]

There is no society, there are only individuals. Wealth are not created by society, but by individuals, solitary and organised. The right way to distribute wealth is by voluntary trade, not by forceful extortion. Do not steal. In socialism one group of individuals exploit the other group forcefully, under false pretences. This is stealing. Mandatory insurance proposed by socialists is illegal under iMtG law, as a kind of stealing.

Well again, we are talking about real laws like the U.S. Constitution. And requiring individuals to contribute to services that help the society is not stealing, exploiting or extortion.

Forcing individuals to give up their wealth for services they don't want nor need is sealing, exploiting and extortion under any kind of honest logic. Unfortunately you do not seem to follow honest logic.

There are only two kinds of socialists: naive and crooks. You seem to be of the naive kind, that's why we're still talking.

I am not naive, I just think that the well being and survival of humans is worth the small amount of money taken out of my check each week. Sorry for being a decent human being. If you think your money is more important than humans lives, dig a hole, bring your money with you and bury yourself there.

Do you know why socialism and communism don't work? It's because greedy individuals like yourself believe you are better than your fellow man and deserve more than everyone else does.

Lastly, I know that the unemployment and welfare systems are broken, if you look at previous posts you will see that, but I don't believe we should make millions die from starvation because a few thousand are taking advantage of the system.

You want to give money to better society so go ahead.  It's stealing from the rest of us who don't want it taken from us.

Why would millions die from starvation if we got rid of welfare.  It would make people get jobs.  And there are kind people who would take care of the people who can't work.

IMO Giving money to make a better society won't exactly work because some money given that way could and might be used in a corrupt manner.


Some people who are on welfare are lazy and/or a disability, and some people arent kind enough to take care of those people. And if welfare were to be taken away those people wouldn't be able to take care of themselves and probably won't want too.

[Boringanarchy2]

There is no society, there are only individuals. Wealth are not created by society, but by individuals, solitary and organised. The right way to distribute wealth is by voluntary trade, not by forceful extortion. Do not steal. In socialism one group of individuals exploit the other group forcefully, under false pretences. This is stealing. Mandatory insurance proposed by socialists is illegal under iMtG law, as a kind of stealing.

Well again, we are talking about real laws like the U.S. Constitution. And requiring individuals to contribute to services that help the society is not stealing, exploiting or extortion.

Forcing individuals to give up their wealth for services they don't want nor need is sealing, exploiting and extortion under any kind of honest logic. Unfortunately you do not seem to follow honest logic.

There are only two kinds of socialists: naive and crooks. You seem to be of the naive kind, that's why we're still talking.

I am not naive, I just think that the well being and survival of humans is worth the small amount of money taken out of my check each week. Sorry for being a decent human being. If you think your money is more important than humans lives, dig a hole, bring your money with you and bury yourself there.

Do you know why socialism and communism don't work? It's because greedy individuals like yourself believe you are better than your fellow man and deserve more than everyone else does.

Lastly, I know that the unemployment and welfare systems are broken, if you look at previous posts you will see that, but I don't believe we should make millions die from starvation because a few thousand are taking advantage of the system.

You want to give money to better society so go ahead.  It's stealing from the rest of us who don't want it taken from us.

Why would millions die from starvation if we got rid of welfare.  It would make people get jobs.  And there are kind people who would take care of the people who can't work.

Yeah they tried that, it's called Victorian Britain. Maybe you saw it in Oliver Twist. Again, see 91 percent of people on welfare having jobs, having disabilities, or being too old to work. 84 percent of households under the poverty line have at least one family member working. This fairy tale about the poor not working is getting old, the welfare queen in your head is a tiny minority.

[Wingnut]

Do you know why socialism and communism don't work? It's because greedy individuals like yourself believe you are better than your fellow man and deserve more than everyone else does.

Lastly, I know that the unemployment and welfare systems are broken, if you look at previous posts you will see that, but I don't believe we should make millions die from starvation because a few thousand are taking advantage of the system.

Is it greedy for him to want to keep more of what he WORKED for? Instead of having it taken away before he even gets his share and given to other people? Is that really greed? He simply wants what he has earned. Why should he earn it if its going to be taken away? Where is the incentive to work hard and support yourself if you also have to support other people who do not?

On the second point, if you genuinely think that millions of people are going to starve if if welfare is cut, than I have a bridge I want to sell you. You REALLY think a few thousand people are raping the system? Seriously? I would lean way more towards it being dangerously close to 50% of the "million" who would starve.

Again, please no one think I'm "against" welfare, and completely realize that there are people who simply need the help getting by, but I feel that there are just as many that abuse it because they can. They believe it is ok and right that the government take other people's money and give it to them. The logic they use to make it ok in there mind, I have no idea, but they do. Never mind the fact that the government takes our money and gives it to other countries that want to kill us........ Makes sense. My gripe is with the government and the small percentage if people who refuse to contribute to society and instead take advantage of it.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Millions die? You re mad.

You see, people need these things called necessities. Necessities are necessary. Without the necessary necessities people can't live and when you can't live, you die. Now to avoid that death, you need necessities including food, clothing and shelter. To get those things you need money. If you are unable to work you don't get the money and as I have demonstrated, without the money, you don't get the necessities and you die. There are over 313.9 million people in America alone. If even twenty percent of them get government aid (which is a low estimate compare to a lot of other numbers thrown around) that's 62.78 million people. Even if only 2% of those people require the aid to survive and you take that aid away, millions die. Witness the insanity of logic and math.

[Wingnut]

Yeah they tried that, it's called Victorian Britain. Maybe you saw it in Oliver Twist. Again, see 91 percent of people on welfare having jobs, having disabilities, or being too old to work. 84 percent of households under the poverty line have at least one family member working. This fairy tale about the poor not working is getting old, the welfare queen in your head is a tiny minority.

....and if the numbers you give are factual (as in real life and not simply what the government posts or "what is put on the application"), than I am wrong and I own that. But I don't believe it.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

...And it all comes back to what I said earlier...

I hope we all know that there are many people who receive welfare and unemployment and need it to sustain themselves and their families. That being said there are multiple people (and I know a few) who scam the system, trying to collect the most they can, as long as they can because they would rather sit around. Its true, you can't deny it. But is that a reason to take food out of the mouths of those who need it? No, it isn't. This is a complex problem and it requires a complex and elegant answer that would be able to force those who are being lazy to participate in society and those who are trying their best to supply for their family, the help they need.

As much as we talk about revolution and governmental shut down, its not going to happen so instead of complaining about the government lets try to think of the complex solutions that are required to answer the complex problems we are facing.

[Boringanarchy2]

Yeah they tried that, it's called Victorian Britain. Maybe you saw it in Oliver Twist. Again, see 91 percent of people on welfare having jobs, having disabilities, or being too old to work. 84 percent of households under the poverty line have at least one family member working. This fairy tale about the poor not working is getting old, the welfare queen in your head is a tiny minority.

....and if the numbers you give are factual (as in real life and not simply what the government posts or "what is put on the application"), than I am wrong and I own that. But I don't believe it.

So it's either a rigorously reviewed survey that is accepted by demographic experts the world over or your gut. Hmm...tough choice >.>

[Wingnut]

...And it all comes back to what I said earlier...

As much as we talk about revolution and governmental shut down, its not going to happen so instead of complaining about the government lets try to think of the complex solutions that are required to answer the complex problems we are facing.

Completely agree, but taking money away from the rich and giving it to the poor isn't the solution. You take ALL the money in the world, divide it evenly among every individual and what will happen? Within 10 years the rich will be rich again and the poor will be poor again. It breaks down to drive and ability to manage money to make you more money.