Net Decks. A discussion.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I realize that player skill comes in when net-decking and I realize that sometimes its necessary to get into the pro tour, I just get pissed off when people at FNM think they are the best just because they spent $500. Yes, you can beat net-decks with superior skill but it makes the playing field extremely uneven. When your opponent has a deck full of Shocklands, Snappys, {Sphinx's Revelation}s, {Thundermaw Hellkite}s and other high price cards, they have a better chance at winning and then they think they are better that you because your $10 budget aggro can't beat the deck their World Championship deck. That is what annoys me about net-decking.

[Mikefrompluto]

What's our view on pauper players who net deck? The average pauper deck price is like $10 ({gush} and {daze} aside) and you keep mentioning people who can spend the most on cards. So im curious as to what your viewpoint on pauper net decks is.

[Dmreiss]

I realize that player skill comes in when net-decking and I realize that sometimes its necessary to get into the pro tour, I just get pissed off when people at FNM think they are the best just because they spent $500. Yes, you can beat net-decks with superior skill but it makes the playing field extremely uneven. When your opponent has a deck full of Shocklands, Snappys, {Sphinx's Revelation}s, {Thundermaw Hellkite}s and other high price cards, they have a better chance at winning and then they think they are better that you because your $10 budget aggro can't beat the deck their World Championship deck. That is what annoys me about net-decking.

I completely agree.  I font feel like my opponent beat me; I feel like their deck did. 

I also don't believe that net decks should be at FNM's.  These are supposed to be less competitive.  PTQ or other tournament fine, but FNM is not supposed to be that level of competition.

[Mikefrompluto]

Awe poor baby

[Moneekahh]

I quit! I'm done with this conversation, keep net-decking but if you want to try the full experience of Magic and enjoy the game more, try designing your own decks.

I think maybe you missed the part where most of us told you that we net deck but also brew, we just don't take home brews to tourneys. Or maybe I missed the part where you posted your credentials that state that you're the end all expert in "what this game is about".

[Hunteroffire9]

I realize that player skill comes in when net-decking and I realize that sometimes its necessary to get into the pro tour, I just get pissed off when people at FNM think they are the best just because they spent $500. Yes, you can beat net-decks with superior skill but it makes the playing field extremely uneven. When your opponent has a deck full of Shocklands, Snappys, {Sphinx's Revelation}s, {Thundermaw Hellkite}s and other high price cards, they have a better chance at winning and then they think they are better that you because your $10 budget aggro can't beat the deck their World Championship deck. That is what annoys me about net-decking.

I completely agree.  I font feel like my opponent beat me; I feel like their deck did. 

I also don't believe that net decks should be at FNM's.  These are supposed to be less competitive.  PTQ or other tournament fine, but FNM is not supposed to be that level of competition.

It actualy is when you play with 50-100 people playing competative decks and its a big deal when you get first...

[Mothaelon]

So I guess you can't use cards that are good either.

[Coffee Vampire]

I realize that player skill comes in when net-decking and I realize that sometimes its necessary to get into the pro tour, I just get pissed off when people at FNM think they are the best just because they spent $500. Yes, you can beat net-decks with superior skill but it makes the playing field extremely uneven. When your opponent has a deck full of Shocklands, Snappys, {Sphinx's Revelation}s, {Thundermaw Hellkite}s and other high price cards, they have a better chance at winning and then they think they are better that you because your $10 budget aggro can't beat the deck their World Championship deck. That is what annoys me about net-decking.

Yeah I feel that. But that isn't really the issue of whether netdecking is OK or not, it's more like an issue of how people play. I, like you, hate smug players. Sore winners are worse than sore losers. I, like you, hate losing because I didn't have the money for snappys so I had to use archaeomancer or whatever. But I don't think there's anything wrong with spending money and winning with it.

It isn't fair that some people can afford better decks than others, but think of it this way: there are two cars at a red light. One is a junky car driven by a college student trying to get by (me...hahah). One is a lambo driven by a college student of the same age, whos parents bought him a...well, lambo. Which one will accelerate faster and beat the other car? The lambo. If the kid knows how to drive it, that is. Why? Because he had more money. The poor kid would buy a lambo if he could, but he simply lacks the funds. His life is different, and that's maybe not fair. But it's reality.

I feel it's that way with magic decks. When I have the money to buy my modern deck, I will. Until then, I will either get beaten by expensive decks or not play competitive modern.

There's nothing wrong with a player using his funds (i.e parents) to buy good singles. It's just when he thinks he's a better person/player than you when he crosses the line from having good luck in life to being an asahole.

[Mikefrompluto]

I realize that player skill comes in when net-decking and I realize that sometimes its necessary to get into the pro tour, I just get pissed off when people at FNM think they are the best just because they spent $500. Yes, you can beat net-decks with superior skill but it makes the playing field extremely uneven. When your opponent has a deck full of Shocklands, Snappys, {Sphinx's Revelation}s, {Thundermaw Hellkite}s and other high price cards, they have a better chance at winning and then they think they are better that you because your $10 budget aggro can't beat the deck their World Championship deck. That is what annoys me about net-decking.

I completely agree.  I font feel like my opponent beat me; I feel like their deck did. 

I also don't believe that net decks should be at FNM's.  These are supposed to be less competitive.  PTQ or other tournament fine, but FNM is not supposed to be that level of competition.

I see where you're coming from with the FNM thing, but since standard has such a limited card pool, you'd be hard pressed to find a homebrew that doesn't share a few ideas/cards with a more successful pro tournament level deck.

[Hunteroffire9]

I realize that player skill comes in when net-decking and I realize that sometimes its necessary to get into the pro tour, I just get pissed off when people at FNM think they are the best just because they spent $500. Yes, you can beat net-decks with superior skill but it makes the playing field extremely uneven. When your opponent has a deck full of Shocklands, Snappys, {Sphinx's Revelation}s, {Thundermaw Hellkite}s and other high price cards, they have a better chance at winning and then they think they are better that you because your $10 budget aggro can't beat the deck their World Championship deck. That is what annoys me about net-decking.

I completely agree.  I font feel like my opponent beat me; I feel like their deck did. 

I also don't believe that net decks should be at FNM's.  These are supposed to be less competitive.  PTQ or other tournament fine, but FNM is not supposed to be that level of competition.

I see where you're coming from with the FNM thing, but since standard has such a limited card pool, you'd be hard pressed to find a homebrew that doesn't share a few ideas/cards with a more successful pro tournament level deck.

Yeah thus is how I feal, and not all net decks are 500 dollars you can make one for about 60

[Birdbrain]

If you net-deck, you didn't win. You were able to replicate what another, better player was able to do. Congrats, you know how to mimic people.

But...some people...only care...about...winning.

It's not a hard concept to grasp.

others also like being unique. But I guess many different viewpoints do exist in the game. Still, I don't really like net decking

[Moneekahh]

If you net-deck, you didn't win. You were able to replicate what another, better player was able to do. Congrats, you know how to mimic people.

But...some people...only care...about...winning.

It's not a hard concept to grasp.

others also like being unique. But I guess many different viewpoints do exist in the game. Still, I don't really like net decking

You can not like it all you want. But telling people that when they place with a net deck that its not a real win, that's going a bit far.

[Mikefrompluto]

If you net-deck, you didn't win. You were able to replicate what another, better player was able to do. Congrats, you know how to mimic people.

But...some people...only care...about...winning.

It's not a hard concept to grasp.

others also like being unique. But I guess many different viewpoints do exist in the game. Still, I don't really like net decking

I never said anything ill of people who homebrew. I even expressed my love of rogue decks! I love homebrewing more than anything. I also see the necessity for net decks.

My whole point is there are people who like to be unique and win, and people who like to win but don't care about being unique. Both sides are very real. Bitching about one side or the other is nonsense. Since the anti-net deck people were bashing net decks, while the pro-net deck people werent bashing the other side at all, I felt compelled to defend the net deck side.

[Coffee Vampire]

Couldn't have said it better. I have never net decked. Know why? Because I am poor and if I build an expensive deck, it will be one I made myself. But someday, when I have a decent job, you bet I'll net deck! I would love to play the top decks and win with them, and saying it's wrong for people to fulfill the selves by playing Magic in the way that gives them the most satisfaction is pure insanity!!!

[Dmreiss]

I realize that player skill comes in when net-decking and I realize that sometimes its necessary to get into the pro tour, I just get pissed off when people at FNM think they are the best just because they spent $500. Yes, you can beat net-decks with superior skill but it makes the playing field extremely uneven. When your opponent has a deck full of Shocklands, Snappys, {Sphinx's Revelation}s, {Thundermaw Hellkite}s and other high price cards, they have a better chance at winning and then they think they are better that you because your $10 budget aggro can't beat the deck their World Championship deck. That is what annoys me about net-decking.

I completely agree.  I font feel like my opponent beat me; I feel like their deck did. 

I also don't believe that net decks should be at FNM's.  These are supposed to be less competitive.  PTQ or other tournament fine, but FNM is not supposed to be that level of competition.

I see where you're coming from with the FNM thing, but since standard has such a limited card pool, you'd be hard pressed to find a homebrew that doesn't share a few ideas/cards with a more successful pro tournament level deck.

You make a solid point.  And I can appreciate certain card interactions being popular.  It is when it becomes an exact copy of a PTQ deck is when I have a problem.

I believe that net-decking does not foster player growth.  It allows mediocre players to place higher than their abilities.