Touchy Subjects #2: Abortion *NFSW

[Piotr]

abortion is ridding yoursel of an unborn fetus.

What is the definition of fetus?

[ihasfrozen]

'morning after pill', which isn't an abortion.

What is definition of an abortion?

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion):
Abortion is the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo prior to viability.

The morning after pill (emergency contraception) from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_after_pill):
Are drugs intended to disrupt or delay ovulation or fertilization.

Abortion ends a pregnancy, 'the morning after pill' prevents it(fertilization) from happening.

[ihasfrozen]

She isn't killing the baby if she's having an abortion, for it to have been a baby it would have had to been born.

According to iMtG law and logic, this is a lie.

What do you mean?

[Piotr]

'morning after pill', which isn't an abortion.

What is definition of an abortion?

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion):
Abortion is the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo prior to viability.

The morning after pill (emergency contraception) from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_after_pill):
Are drugs intended to disrupt or delay ovulation or fertilization.

Abortion ends a pregnancy, 'the morning after pill' prevents it(fertilization) from happening.

What effect does 'the morning after pill' have if fertilisation already happened?

[Piotr]

She isn't killing the baby if she's having an abortion, for it to have been a baby it would have had to been born.

According to iMtG law and logic, this is a lie.

What do you mean?

Logic of sets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory

Human fetus is an unborn baby, which is a kind of baby, which is a kind of human.

Killing humans is only legal as a punishment. Unborn baby has done nothing wrong hence capital punishment is out of the question.

[ihasfrozen]

'morning after pill', which isn't an abortion.

What is definition of an abortion?

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion):
Abortion is the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo prior to viability.

The morning after pill (emergency contraception) from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_after_pill):
Are drugs intended to disrupt or delay ovulation or fertilization.

Abortion ends a pregnancy, 'the morning after pill' prevents it(fertilization) from happening.

What effect does 'the morning after pill' have if fertilisation already happened?

Nothing, if fertilization has occurred, taking something trying to prevent it from happening wouldn't do anything if it already has happened.

The wikipedia article notes that "Emergency contraceptive pills (ECPs) are not to be confused with mifepristone (RU486, Mifeprex), which is used as an "abortion pill". The term "emergency contraceptive pill" does not refer to mifespristone, which is most commonly used in 200 or 600 mg doses as an abortifacient."

[Piotr]

What effect does 'the morning after pill' have if fertilisation already happened?

Nothing, if fertilization has occurred, taking something trying to prevent it from happening wouldn't do anything if it already has happened.

Assuming the above to be true, I think 'the morning after pill' is legal under iMtG law. I know of two ladies who agreed to obey iMtG law in real life, so this is less theoretical than you think

[ihasfrozen]

She isn't killing the baby if she's having an abortion, for it to have been a baby it would have had to been born.

According to iMtG law and logic, this is a lie.

What do you mean?

Logic of sets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory

Human fetus is an unborn baby, which is a kind of baby, which is a kind of human.

Killing humans is only legal as a punishment. Unborn baby has done nothing wrong hence capital punishment is out of the question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginning_of_human_personhood
Whether the fetus is a person is one of the primary sources of debate on abortion, and there has yet to be a universally accepted definition of it.

I am of the belief that a fetus is not a person until it is born. You are not. Neither of us can sufficiently convince the other who is right, or if both of us are wrong and there's some middle ground that hasn't been found/accepted as fact yet.

Calling me a liar can only be valid if I stated a fact, when I actually stated an opinion. Ultimately this is a matter of opinion, you are entitled to believe what you want as much as I am.

[Piotr]

She isn't killing the baby if she's having an abortion, for it to have been a baby it would have had to been born.

According to iMtG law and logic, this is a lie.

What do you mean?

Logic of sets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory

Human fetus is an unborn baby, which is a kind of baby, which is a kind of human.

Killing humans is only legal as a punishment. Unborn baby has done nothing wrong hence capital punishment is out of the question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginning_of_human_personhood
Whether the fetus is a person is one of the primary sources of debate on abortion, and there has yet to be a universally accepted definition of it.

Under iMtG law we don't have this problem. It was sufficiently proven, using adequate logic, that human fetus is a kind of human.

I refer you to the works of Coffee Vampire for the details. If you feel strong enough to refute his logic, we are all ears.

Calling me a liar can only be valid if I stated a fact, when I actually stated an opinion.

Calling you a liar can be done legally if you are in fact a liar, i.e. a person who spreads lies knowing they are lies. You probably just repeated someone's lie, that's why I didn't call you a liar.