Best card in M14

Started by Mattao19, July 13, 2013, 04:19:18 PM

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Coffee Vampire

I agree, {Lifebane Zombie} is going to be the bane of many lives before it rotates. It's like {Sin Collector} only better, since the best cards in standard are creatures, and not so much spells these days. Bye bye {Blood Baron}. So long {Thragtusk}. {Obzedat}. Very useful.

Coffee Vampire

Heh sorry for double post.
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 15, 2013, 11:04:08 AM
@ coffee: if you play the angel, as most of your dudes have lifelink, it can go off on your turn. So I think its wanted in an aggro lifelink deck that somehow turns life into card advantage
That is true, but they would not benefit from it until after they dealt the damage. Also, there are only 3 cards that are playable and that have lifelink, and that you could cast before mr thune: {Rhox Faithmender}, {Vampire Nighthawk}, and {Tithe Drinker} (pushing it..). There's also {Nearheath Pilgrim}, but he requires another creature to gain lifelink. Would you really put all those lifelinkers in your deck just to make one card semi-good? Maybe for casual play, but I do not think thune makes the cut.

Birdbrain

It looks like wizards is making an environment where control can breathe instead of constantly being dunked under and held there by aggro

Mlerner12

Quote from: Birdbrain on July 15, 2013, 12:00:36 PM
It looks like wizards is making an environment where control can breathe instead of constantly being dunked under and held there by aggro

Been needing this.

Mattao19

 {Nearheath Pilgrim} bond to  {Boros Reckoner} and have a ln  {Archangel of Thune}. Then just do 1 damage to Reckoner for infinite mana and counters!!

Thanks to Coffee Vampire for helping me with the combo 😃

Bman0121

This set is trying to slow standard down and it will to a certain extent but as for the 2 most expensive cards in M14  {Kalonian Hydra} and  {Archangel of Thune} they arnt that powerful and if you picked them up at the prerelease you should sell them immediately because they really arnt that powerful of cards maybe with rotation the format they could be a little better but they are forsure not worth the twenty dollars this set doesnt have very many powerful cards so finding the best might be hard and right now I feel  {Doom Blade} might just be the most powerful card in the set or  {Xathrid Necromancer} it is very powerful in the current standard

Bookmeister

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 15, 2013, 11:13:13 AM
Heh sorry for double post.
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 15, 2013, 11:04:08 AM
@ coffee: if you play the angel, as most of your dudes have lifelink, it can go off on your turn. So I think its wanted in an aggro lifelink deck that somehow turns life into card advantage
That is true, but they would not benefit from it until after they dealt the damage. Also, there are only 3 cards that are playable and that have lifelink, and that you could cast before mr thune: {Rhox Faithmender}, {Vampire Nighthawk}, and {Tithe Drinker} (pushing it..). There's also {Nearheath Pilgrim}, but he requires another creature to gain lifelink. Would you really put all those lifelinkers in your deck just to make one card semi-good? Maybe for casual play, but I do not think thune makes the cut.

I disagree, you can play {Trostani, Selesnya's Voice} before the angel and trigger the Angel's ability as it enters the battlefield and with every creature that enters after that. I am putting the angel in my Selesnya deck for sure.

Birdbrain

They should make a card were whenever you gain life you put a creature token into play. Also, whenever a +1/+1 counter is put on a creature, you get a creature token. (Both different cards)

Make the creature token a human and you got an infinite loop with {champion of the parish}

Just throw in {vigilanty justice} and its good game

Mattao19

Quote from: Birdbrain on July 15, 2013, 01:30:06 PM
They should make a card were whenever you gain life you put a creature token into play. Also, whenever a +1/+1 counter is put on a creature, you get a creature token. (Both different cards)

Make the creature token a human and you got an infinite loop with {champion of the parish}

Just throw in {vigilanty justice} and its good game

That'd be so broken lol

Birdbrain

Not realy. One of the cards inM14 creates the same kind of loop with a card in future sight, and then you throw in a similar enchantment like {war storm surge} and its the exact same effect

Slenderbro

Quote from: Bman0121 on July 15, 2013, 01:03:19 PM
This set is trying to slow standard down and it will to a certain extent but as for the 2 most expensive cards in M14  {Kalonian Hydra} and  {Archangel of Thune} they arnt that powerful and if you picked them up at the prerelease you should sell them immediately because they really arnt that powerful of cards maybe with rotation the format they could be a little better but they are forsure not worth the twenty dollars this set doesnt have very many powerful cards so finding the best might be hard and right now I feel  {Doom Blade} might just be the most powerful card in the set or  {Xathrid Necromancer} it is very powerful in the current standard
That's not true at all, they are rapidly gaining value. Hydra is just an absolute bomb. If they have no removal and it resolves, it's gg.

I have 3 in my midrange deck and every time i play hydra they scoop. It's bafflingly op for being an 8/8 5 drop at its very beginning. Rancor on hydra is near impossible to stop.

Silent1236

Quote from: KangaRod on July 15, 2013, 02:44:17 PM
I don't understand the people on this forum sometimes.

  {Scavenging Ooze} absolutely crushes any other creature in the set.

That's just a given thing, the others aren't. I'm super stoked to use the Ooze in modern, but I already knew that, and {Fiendslayer Paladin} is new and shiny.

Bman0121

Quote from: bravado883 on July 15, 2013, 03:09:29 PM
{Scavenging Ooze} is a great card, but if you have ooze on one side of the board and {Kalonian Hydra} on the other, they don't stack up so well.  Ooze really makes me think of {Voice of Resurgence} in terms of pure power level...it's not the bomb in the decks that run it, but it's a very powerful role-player, and for 2 CMC it does a lot.  Every deck with green should run it either main or in the sideboard, depending on how heavily graveyard-centric the local metas are.

Saying {Archangel of Thune} and {Kalonian Hydra} aren't that powerful is probably incorrect.  That's like saying {Thragtusk} is "not that good."  There are more +1/+1 counters and life gaining opportunities in standard right now than you can shake a stick at, and white and green are arguably the most popular colors. Of the two, I think Archangel will fit easily into more decks, but if the Hydra gets going man, that's pretty much it.  I'll tell you what truly sold me on the Archangel.  Someone said, "Archangel and Extort."

What makes you guys think the format will slow down with M14?  Not disagreeing, just curious.  Seems to me like M14 gave aggressive decks plenty of new goodies.  Bant Hexproof, in particular, is going to take down some tournaments (wouldn't be suprised if it wins this weeks SCG Open) and Naya Blitz got some awesomeness in {Imposing Sovereign}.  Midrange decks have been mostly dominating recently anyway, and while i don't see that changing a lot, control players got almost nothing except {Doom Blade}.  No new counters or sweepers, and no new good bomb creatures, at least nothing even coming close to {Aetherling}.  I'm going to make BW Zombies and troll on people by blinking {Lifebane Zombie} all over the place.
You dont want a lot of 5 drops and till rotation we have much better 5 drops like {Thragtusk} and {Garruk, Primal Hunter}, {Obzedat} and most decks that play these cards arnt even 4 ofs after rotation i see the hydra doing a lot but as for the angel she will end up being maybe a 6 to 8 dollar card

All-Mana Mania

Archangel, hydra(Kalonian), chandra, and alot of uncommons

InfinitiveDivinity

Quote from: Birdbrain on July 15, 2013, 01:30:06 PM
They should make a card were whenever you gain life you put a creature token into play. Also, whenever a +1/+1 counter is put on a creature, you get a creature token. (Both different cards)

Make the creature token a human and you got an infinite loop with {champion of the parish}

Just throw in {vigilanty justice} and its good game
Or you can just play {Spike Feeder} in Modern for an infinite life/permanent creature pump combo.