The North Remembers!!!!!

[Yawgmoth85]

Used this in a EDH fame the other day and worked swimmingly. {feed the pact} + {wolfir silverheart} + {grim harvest}. Able to pump out wolves like no tomorrow. Throw in a {parallel lives} and it's like your The Lord of Winterfell.

[Qpwner]

 {Pennon Blade}

[michael19]

{Essence of the Wild}+{Feed the Pack}+{Captain's Call}

[Wally]

{Essence of the Wild}+{Feed the Pack}+{Captain's Call}

wont work, feed the pack is non-token

[michael19]

When the solider token enters the battlefield, it becomes a copy of {Essence of the Wild}, therefore it's not a token. Then when you sac a copy you get 6 2/2 wolves, which become 6/6s that aren't tokens.

[Wally]

um no. a card is a card, and a token is a token.

it will be a token copy of a card. hence its still a token.

[Renanpf]

um no. a card is a card, and a token is a token.

it will be a token copy of a card. hence its still a token.

You do not put a token, the card just  --- enters the battlefield as a copy of it---, thats why it works.
Its like a forced {clone}

[Wackaman9001]

But unless you have a physical card it is a token, just like the clone {progenitor mimic} puts out, unless you are saying that those are able to replicate as well?

[Renanpf]

But unless you have a physical card it is a token, just like the clone {progenitor mimic} puts out, unless you are saying that those are able to replicate as well?

Read {progenitor mimic} again and youll have your answer.

Let me give you an example so you can understand:

1- Card A on the field.
2- Progenitor enters AS A COPY OF A, but gets the ability "if this card is not a token, put a token thats a copy blabla"
3- at your next upkeep, you have a Progenitor thats a copy of A and a TOKEN thats a copy of progenitor.

So, diferent card with diferent effect = diferent rulling

[Yawgmoth85]

I don't  know why I never thought of {essence of the wild}. Defintsly a add in now. I'm running thus in a EDH with {jarad, golgari loch lord} can't wait to see results. Will post results. Also {wren's run packmaster} made this a sick army. But will gladly accept some 6/6's

[Quackmaster5]

But unless you have a physical card it is a token, just like the clone {progenitor mimic} puts out, unless you are saying that those are able to replicate as well?

Read {progenitor mimic} again and youll have your answer.

Let me give you an example so you can understand:

1- Card A on the field.
2- Progenitor enters AS A COPY OF A, but gets the ability "if this card is not a token, put a token thats a copy blabla"
3- at your next upkeep, you have a Progenitor thats a copy of A and a TOKEN thats a copy of progenitor.

So, diferent card with diferent effect = diferent rulling

Right. You just proved yourself wrong. Tokens enter as tokens. No matter if they are a copy of not, the card is not changing from a creature spell to a copy creature. It is changing from a token to a copy token creature. So {Feed the Pack} will not work with the combo stated above. You have to play it from your hand, an actual card! Not a token. {Clone} will work bc it is an ACTUAL CREATURE CARD! Not a token copying another creature.

[Quackmaster5]

um no. a card is a card, and a token is a token.

it will be a token copy of a card. hence its still a token.

You do not put a token, the card just  --- enters the battlefield as a copy of it---, thats why it works.
Its like a forced {clone}

Your statement here is false. Just like I said. You are saying that it enters as a copy. The beginning part of that says "creatures" so that means it still separates the difference between a creature spell and a token. It doesn't differentiate. So yes, it will make a copy of {Essence of the Wild}, but the permanent type does not change! It is a token and did not come from a creature spell. So therefore, token is the final ruling. Rant/

[Renanpf]

um no. a card is a card, and a token is a token.

it will be a token copy of a card. hence its still a token.

You do not put a token, the card just  --- enters the battlefield as a copy of it---, thats why it works.
Its like a forced {clone}

Your statement here is false. Just like I said. You are saying that it enters as a copy. The beginning part of that says "creatures" so that means it still separates the difference between a creature spell and a token. It doesn't differentiate. So yes, it will make a copy of {Essence of the Wild}, but the permanent type does not change! It is a token and did not come from a creature spell. So therefore, token is the final ruling. Rant/

Permanent type doesnt change, youre right.
Thanks

[TheRagingMage]

Also, a token isn't a card.  Making it a copy of a card doesn't make it a card.

[Kaleo42]

Cards can be shuffled into your deck and remain in the grave an ther zones. You can hold them in your hand and do whatever you want with them. Tokens cease to exist the moment after they leave play. Entering as a copy of copies the following traits: CMC, color, P/T, text, all types, and name. It does not physically copy the card, this is why a cloned morph creature cant morph and a two faced card like {huntmaster of the fells} cant transform.