Draw phase/losing

[mtdewaddict]

If a player was made to draw multiple cards during his/her draw phase (due to  {Font of Mythos},  {Howling Mine}, etc.) and did not have enough in their library, would they lose immediately?

For example, I have 8 cards in my library and have to draw 10. Do I lose at the beginning of my main phase, or is it at the beginning of the next draw step that I lose (since I have nothing left to draw)?

[Keyeto]

You would lose the next time a player receives priority, which is after you draw.

104.3c: If a player is required to draw more cards than are left in his or her library, he or she draws the remaining cards, and then loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)

[mtdewaddict]

Thanks for the quick reply!

[Keyeto]

Thanks for the quick reply!

No problem. Glad to help out!

[Gorzo]

If I may pile onto this with a related question that came up for me and I am unsure of...

If you have 0 cards in your library, and you are required to draw a card, if you have a card with dredge in your graveyard (say {Life from the Loam}, which ultimately replacement-effects the draw into a dredge, does the draw trigger still make you lose, or did dredge's replacement effect cancel it?

[Keyeto]

If I may pile onto this with a related question that came up for me and I am unsure of...

If you have 0 cards in your library, and you are required to draw a card, if you have a card with dredge in your graveyard (say {Life from the Loam}, which ultimately replacement-effects the draw into a dredge, does the draw trigger still make you lose, or did dredge's replacement effect cancel it?

Well, you wouldn't be able to Dredge, since you don't have the required cards.

702.50a: Dredge is a static ability that functions only while the card with dredge is in a player's graveyard. "Dredge N" means "As long as you have at least N cards in your library, if you would draw a card, you may instead put N cards from the top of your library into your graveyard and return this card from your graveyard to your hand."

[Gorzo]

Aha. Good to know! That's what I get for assuming it worked like mill :P

Many thanks, Key!

[Wally]

However Dredge {0} would still work :)

[Anoobass]

If in the same Situation you had to mill 10 and had 8 in your library with {laboratory maniac} out, would you still win the game or does milling not count because its not "drawing"?

[scarsabrex]

Milling is not drawing

[Kaleo42]

Milling is not drawing

[Anoobass]

So I would still lose in this situation?

[Kaleo42]

Drawing when you cant is what causes losing.

[Anoobass]

Thank you

[Gorzo]

Milling is not drawing

Milling is not drawing

Jinx!