Accidently droppimg cards

[BadLuckIrish]

Alright so ill go to a tournament drop a card on "accident" and if my oppenent doesnt call it and plays off it ill get a free win. Metaphorically of course. Thats why i completely disagree with being punished cause of your oppenent's carelessness if it wasnt done on puprose in the first place.

[loop-s-pool]

Nah, first of all I know accidents happen but if youre doing it twice a day, people are going to talk. I drop cards occasionally, but they have never landed in an opponents view and were always before the game started.

[BadLuckIrish]

Hell i do too and if i drop something and they play off that ill give myself a kick in the ass for being careless

[BlackJester]

Okay, to resolve this discussion, I have submitted the situation to the DCI judge mailing list and get an Official stance on the topic.  Seeing a card from their library is apparently different from seeing a card in hand.

[Tetsomori]

Well i didnt know about calling a judge right away he picked the card up and just put it back in his hand. I informed him i saw it.. He said dont worry about it. Bad thing is he disagreed with the judge giving me a match loss for it. He just asked if we could back the game up and he would shuffle the card and draw another. I didnt really agree to that but the judge said i cheated. So i was given a match loss

[BlackJester]

What level of tournament was this?  FNM?

[Tetsomori]

Yea... Well not fnm but sanctioned monday tourney

[BlackJester]

Okay, so I just got a response from a high level judge (the rep for Canada, FYI) and neither action was an infraction.  It is not an infraction to reveal part or all of your hand, nor is it an infraction to take advantage if it happens. 

"Just yesterday, I illustrated this in two distinct examples.
First, I was shuffling my opponent's deck when I dropped one of his cards on the floor; I asked him to look and see if it was face up or down, so I'd know if I could look down to pick it up.  If I had just looked and seen a face up card, I'd have been guilty of the Looking at Extra Cards infraction - not a big deal, but it seemed wise to avoid it.
Next, I decided to Dismember my opponent's Inkmoth Nexus, showed him the card ... before I realized that I forgot to leave one mana open.  He played around that card in my hand the rest of that game (quite legal).  :p"

Now, of course this only applies to reveals, accidental or intentional, of cards in hand.  The Library and other hidden zones are different, and you obviously can't try to "sneak a {peak}" at their hand.

So there you go, Tetsomori, you are exonerated.   

[Tetsomori]

3 cheers for bj! Hip hip hooray!! Alright nvm 1 cheer. Tired of typing

[BadLuckIrish]

So taking advantage of knowledge through your oppenents mistake is legal. Good.

[BlackJester]

So taking advantage of knowledge through your oppenents mistake is legal. Good.

It depends on the mistake.  If they drop a card from their library, it's not.

If they drop a card from their hand,  then they'll need to learn not to for next time.  Also, you don't want to punish a player if their opponent flashes their hand. 

[BadLuckIrish]

So taking advantage of knowledge through your oppenents mistake is legal. Good.

It depends on the mistake.  If they drop a card from their library, it's not.

If they drop a card from their hand,  then they'll need to learn not to for next time.  Also, you don't want to punish a player if their opponent flashes their hand.

Ooooh Jester if you played with my group and u somehow managed to drop a card they will take that advantage and do everything they can to play around it

[BlackJester]

So taking advantage of knowledge through your oppenents mistake is legal. Good.

It depends on the mistake.  If they drop a card from their library, it's not.

If they drop a card from their hand,  then they'll need to learn not to for next time.  Also, you don't want to punish a player if their opponent flashes their hand.

Ooooh Jester if you played with my group and u somehow managed to drop a card they will take that advantage and do everything they can to play around it

LOL  Well if your group is playing by official REL tournament rules, then they'd be issued a warning.  Kinda doubt you do, though.   

[Fenster]

3 cheers for bj! Hip hip hooray!! Alright nvm 1 cheer. Tired of typing

Im sorry, very interesting thread but... "Bj"? xD im so sorry but i couldnt stop myself from laughing alittle!
(Due to the maturity of content i will not disclose what i was refering to in this forum)

[BlackJester]

3 cheers for bj! Hip hip hooray!! Alright nvm 1 cheer. Tired of typing

Im sorry, very interesting thread but... "Bj"? xD im so sorry but i couldnt stop myself from laughing alittle!
(Due to the maturity of content i will not disclose what i was refering to in this forum)

Trust me, it's not the first time, won't be the last.