Illusionist's bracers

Started by Wally, April 23, 2013, 12:29:29 PM

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Wackaman9001

With some manipulation, any planeswalker :) {march of the machines} and {mycosynth lattice}

Mike_garzone

And you could toss a {burden of guilt} for as many activations as your mana could provide. Could be quite interesting with the krenko combo listed below, and is in boros colors!

Wackaman9001

Burden only taps, no untapping

Mike_garzone

Quote from: Wackaman9001 on April 24, 2013, 01:24:37 PM
Burden only taps, no untapping

Fail lol I was in a rush, should have read the card again before I posted!

Wally

Standard synergy.
{Illusionist's Bracers} & {Olivia Voldaren}

And while in the vampire deck...
{Bloodline Keeper} (just make sure you move it before you hit the transform button, otherwise it will flip back over :)

FlickerYourOwnIdentity

Quote from: Wally on April 25, 2013, 08:15:44 PM
Standard synergy.
{Illusionist's Bracers} & {Olivia Voldaren}
Yay another reason to have a personal hatred for Olivia. :)

IntoFire

I was thinking of a simple idea with  {Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage} with the  {Illusionist's Bracers}.Either double centaur or double populate.Damn those elementals.

abstractApathist

Quote from: Wally on April 23, 2013, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: Trunksthemighty on April 23, 2013, 05:10:37 PM
Standard:  {Krenko, Mob Boss} +  {Illusionist's Bracers} with  {Parallel Lives}. Goblins get out cf control real quick. If its just Krenko out, tapping him once would put 8 tokens out. Then if none if them die, next turn you pump out 54 more if my math is correct.

Awesome! Lets see...
(Krenko's{X} x2 for Parallel lives) +krenko's{X} for original amount = total;
bracers trigger for it, do again with new total to find final total
Makes this formula:
(Xx2)+X =Y; (Yx2)+Y;  =Z (or new X)

Krenko tap (X =1)
(1x2)+1 =3; (3x2)+3 =9
Next turn (X =9)
(9x2)+9 =27; (27x2)+27 =81

So by my calculations, more! Anyone good a math want to check my work? :)
I'm pretty sure that with {Parallel Lives} you only get double what X you would have gotten from Krenko, so I think it should look like:

Turn 1: Krenko puts out 2, then 6 tokens
Turn 2: Krenko puts out 18, then 54 tokens

Please correct me if I derped.

Wally

Quote from: abstractApathist on May 04, 2013, 06:02:30 PM
Quote from: Wally on April 23, 2013, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: Trunksthemighty on April 23, 2013, 05:10:37 PM
Standard:  {Krenko, Mob Boss} +  {Illusionist's Bracers} with  {Parallel Lives}. Goblins get out cf control real quick. If its just Krenko out, tapping him once would put 8 tokens out. Then if none if them die, next turn you pump out 54 more if my math is correct.

Awesome! Lets see...
(Krenko's{X} x2 for Parallel lives) +krenko's{X} for original amount = total;
bracers trigger for it, do again with new total to find final total
Makes this formula:
(Xx2)+X =Y; (Yx2)+Y;  =Z (or new X)

Krenko tap (X =1)
(1x2)+1 =3; (3x2)+3 =9
Next turn (X =9)
(9x2)+9 =27; (27x2)+27 =81

So by my calculations, more! Anyone good a math want to check my work? :)
I'm pretty sure that with {Parallel Lives} you only get double what X you would have gotten from Krenko, so I think it should look like:

Turn 1: Krenko puts out 2, then 6 tokens
Turn 2: Krenko puts out 18, then 54 tokens

Please correct me if I derped.

Nah, my formula is correct, I confirmed it with my math nerd mate. Lol. He then wanted to make the formula more condensed but I said it was written this way because it shows what each card is doing. :)

abstractApathist

Quote from: Wally on May 04, 2013, 06:19:51 PM
Quote from: abstractApathist on May 04, 2013, 06:02:30 PM
Quote from: Wally on April 23, 2013, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: Trunksthemighty on April 23, 2013, 05:10:37 PM
Standard:  {Krenko, Mob Boss} +  {Illusionist's Bracers} with  {Parallel Lives}. Goblins get out cf control real quick. If its just Krenko out, tapping him once would put 8 tokens out. Then if none if them die, next turn you pump out 54 more if my math is correct.

Awesome! Lets see...
(Krenko's{X} x2 for Parallel lives) +krenko's{X} for original amount = total;
bracers trigger for it, do again with new total to find final total
Makes this formula:
(Xx2)+X =Y; (Yx2)+Y;  =Z (or new X)

Krenko tap (X =1)
(1x2)+1 =3; (3x2)+3 =9
Next turn (X =9)
(9x2)+9 =27; (27x2)+27 =81

So by my calculations, more! Anyone good a math want to check my work? :)
I'm pretty sure that with {Parallel Lives} you only get double what X you would have gotten from Krenko, so I think it should look like:

Turn 1: Krenko puts out 2, then 6 tokens
Turn 2: Krenko puts out 18, then 54 tokens

Please correct me if I derped.

Nah, my formula is correct, I confirmed it with my math nerd mate. Lol. He then wanted to make the formula more condensed but I said it was written this way because it shows what each card is doing. :)
Krenko only puts X, where X is the number of tokens, and parallel lives only double that number, instead of adding a double of that number like your fomula says. It should be 2X, where X is the goblins you control...

Wally

(Krenko's x2 for Parallel lives) +krenko's for original amount = total;
bracers trigger for it, do again with new total to find final total
Makes this formula:
(Xx2)+X =Y; (Yx2)+Y;  =Z (or new X)

Krenko tap (X =1)
(1x2)+1 =3; (3x2)+3 =9
Next turn (X =9)
(9x2)+9 =27; (27x2)+27 =81

Ok let's revise.

We are using 3 cards.
{Krenko, Mob Boss}
{Parallel Lives}
{Illusionist's Bracers}

Krenko's ability. Count how many goblins. ={X}. Tap and add that many goblin tokens.

Parallel lives ability double amount of tokens put into play {X}x2

illusionist's bracers ability see activated ability, do it again.

Ok so lets say krenko is the only goblin you have in play. So {X}=1.
You add 1 goblin token, then double it (making a second) giving you a total of 3
Meanwhile the bracers has seen this activated ability and puts another on the stack waiting to resolve.
The second one resolves, checking {X} which now equals 3 as there is krenko and 2 goblin tokens in play.
So 3 more tokens are created, parallel lives doubles it (3 more) and then you have a new total of 9 goblins in play at the end of all of that.

Hope that helps clear it up :)

abstractApathist

Quote from: Wally on May 04, 2013, 07:39:21 PM
(Krenko's x2 for Parallel lives) +krenko's for original amount = total;
bracers trigger for it, do again with new total to find final total
Makes this formula:
(Xx2)+X =Y; (Yx2)+Y;  =Z (or new X)

Krenko tap (X =1)
(1x2)+1 =3; (3x2)+3 =9
Next turn (X =9)
(9x2)+9 =27; (27x2)+27 =81

Ok let's revise.

We are using 3 cards.
{Krenko, Mob Boss}
{Parallel Lives}
{Illusionist's Bracers}

Krenko's ability. Count how many goblins. ={X}. Tap and add that many goblin tokens.

Parallel lives ability double amount of tokens put into play {X}x2

illusionist's bracers ability see activated ability, do it again.

Ok so lets say krenko is the only goblin you have in play. So {X}=1.
You add 1 goblin token, then double it (making a second) giving you a total of 3
Meanwhile the bracers has seen this activated ability and puts another on the stack waiting to resolve.
The second one resolves, checking {X} which now equals 3 as there is krenko and 2 goblin tokens in play.
So 3 more tokens are created, parallel lives doubles it (3 more) and then you have a new total of 9 goblins in play at the end of all of that.

Hope that helps clear it up :)
I see where my error was. Thanks!

Raven316


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Wally

😃 Thanks

I was just thinking that after those 9 tokens your probably best bet would be to try and cast something like  {Blasphemous Act} (hitting {Stuffy Doll}s or {Boros Reckoner}s (cast for 1 red) or possibly just casting  {Burn at the Stake} and tapping all those new tokens.