Angel of Serenity, the stack

[Jlamb5]

When {Angel of Serenity} enters the battlefield, if I play an instant after  {Angel of Serenity} resolves, say an {ultimate price}, does that resolve before the effect of {Angel of Serenity}?

[reezel]

Yes, but you cannot target the  {Angel of Serenity} if you are adding to the stack.

[Jlamb5]

Why can I not target the {angel of serenity}? Is it because the ability can not be interrupted?

[MisterJH]

You may target the angel of serenity if you wish, as long as it is resolved.

[Jlamb5]

You may target the angel of serenity if you wish, as long as it is resolved.

I understand being able to target the angel, but will the {ultimate price} resolve before the ability of the Angel.

I think the best question would be, does and ETB ability happen simultaneously when the creature with the ability resolves?

[MisterJH]

No, ETB effects are placed on the stack. Yes ultimate price would resolve before the angel's ETB effect, assuming you cast ultimate price after the angel resolves, before the ETB effect resolves.

[Wingnut]

I could be wrong but I don't think you can target a creature until its actually on the battlefield, until its on the battlefield it's still a spell. It could be countered, but I don't think it can be "destroyed". But someone please correct me if I'm way off.

[MisterJH]

I could be wrong but I don't think you can target a creature until its actually on the battlefield, until its on the battlefield it's still a spell. It could be countered, but I don't think it can be "destroyed". But someone please correct me if I'm way off.

Youre right, but thats not quite what was being asked. Youve got the right idea though.

[Jlamb5]

My question was for "after" she resolved, Before the ETB trigger. I know I have to wait to {ultimate price} until after resolution but I wanted to stop the effect.

[Wingnut]

I could be wrong but I don't think you can target a creature until its actually on the battlefield, until its on the battlefield it's still a spell. It could be countered, but I don't think it can be "destroyed". But someone please correct me if I'm way off.

Youre right, but thats not quite what was being asked. Youve got the right idea though.

Sorry, that's my bad not being clear enough, I actually did pick up on it, basically meant that the only way that would take out the angel is after it had touched the battlefield, triggering the ETB effect before the spell could even target it, therefore it would be on the stack. That's all, at least I had the right idea.

[Keyeto]

My question was for "after" she resolved, Before the ETB trigger. I know I have to wait to {ultimate price} until after resolution but I wanted to stop the effect.

Just to make sure everything is clear, you are unable to do this. The conditions for the trigger are her entering the battlefield. Once she hits the field, the condition is met, and the trigger is put on the stack. You can actually pull some ETB/LTB shenanigans where the cards stay exiled if you wish, but that's not quite the question at hand here

If you want to stop her trigger, you'll need to {Stifle} it, or a similar effect.

[Jlamb5]

My question was for "after" she resolved, Before the ETB trigger. I know I have to wait to {ultimate price} until after resolution but I wanted to stop the effect.

Just to make sure everything is clear, you are unable to do this. The conditions for the trigger are her entering the battlefield. Once she hits the field, the condition is met, and the trigger is put on the stack. You can actually pull some ETB/LTB shenanigans where the cards stay exiled if you wish, but that's not quite the question at hand here

If you want to stop her trigger, you'll need to {Stifle} it, or a similar effect.

I'm really trying to fully understand all the technicalities for gameplay, especially the stack, so bare with me while I try to understand.

You're saying that the trigger is put on the stack once she ETB. My understanding would lead me to believe that if its on the stack, and I then {ultimate price} her before the trigger resolves, the trigger would then fizzle.

[Kagain123]

No it doesn't fizzle due to this rule:

112.7a Once activated or triggered, an ability exists on the stack independently of its source. Destruction or removal of the source after that time won't affect the ability. Note that some abilities cause a source to do something (for example, "Prodigal Sorcerer deals 1 damage to target creature or player") rather than the ability doing anything directly. In these cases, any activated or triggered ability that references information about the source because the effect needs to be divided checks that information when the ability is put onto the stack. Otherwise, it will check that information when it resolves. In both instances, if the source is no longer in the zone it's expected to be in at that time, its last known information is used. The source can still perform the action even though it no longer exists.

[Jlamb5]

No it doesn't fizzle due to this rule:

112.7a Once activated or triggered, an ability exists on the stack independently of its source. Destruction or removal of the source after that time won't affect the ability. Note that some abilities cause a source to do something (for example, "Prodigal Sorcerer deals 1 damage to target creature or player") rather than the ability doing anything directly. In these cases, any activated or triggered ability that references information about the source because the effect needs to be divided checks that information when the ability is put onto the stack. Otherwise, it will check that information when it resolves. In both instances, if the source is no longer in the zone it's expected to be in at that time, its last known information is used. The source can still perform the action even though it no longer exists.

Thanks. That's what I was trying to get to.

[Paraluke]

You cannot stop an ability or trigger unless it is countered, but you can make the target of an ability invalid, causing it to fizzle. That's what I always stick to.

I think. Haha.