Garbage sealed pool

Started by Agarrita80, May 05, 2013, 12:31:11 AM

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Death Gaara

Quote from: Agarrita80 on May 08, 2013, 08:47:20 PM
Might as well just buy them @ 15$ a pop lol

That is what I ended up doing. I have really bad luck at pulling cards, so I am not surprised. I know one thing. I will not be buying much of DGM. That set sucks so hard in the value department.

Silent1236

Yeah it does!  This whole block does, basically.  Barring a few cards from RTR, that is.

Death Gaara

Quote from: Silent1236 on May 08, 2013, 09:22:18 PM
Yeah it does!  This whole block does, basically.  Barring a few cards from RTR, that is.

^ Pretty much this. They hyped the crap out this set, block, and the prerelease maze event. Want to know what players have to show for it? A foil plains, a jank mythic, and a few dice. Seriously hope they do better in Theros. I feel they dropped the ball hard with this set.

Agarrita80

 {Voice of Resurgence}  {Legion's Initiative}  {Angel of Serenity}  {Deathrite Shaman}  {Aurelia, the Warleader}  {Obzedat, Ghost Council} are all good cards in the block! I'm sure I'm missing some, but I don't think the block was entirely crappy. Aggro is a little out of control and we have to deal with that for a while. I think  {Obzedat's Aid} is going to be a legacy staple. Any other cards that I missed?

MisterJH

Quote from: Agarrita80 on May 08, 2013, 10:24:13 PM
{Voice of Resurgence}  {Legion's Initiative}  {Angel of Serenity}  {Deathrite Shaman}  {Aurelia, the Warleader}  {Obzedat, Ghost Council} are all good cards in the block! I'm sure I'm missing some, but I don't think the block was entirely crappy. Aggro is a little out of control and we have to deal with that for a while. I think  {Obzedat's Aid} is going to be a legacy staple. Any other cards that I missed?

Besides deathrite and potentially voice of resurgence, idt any of those cards are worth much of anything in the end(except maybe in reanimator with aurelia and obzedat ghost council, who knows)

{Obzedat's aide} is going nowhere imo... It hit all permanents yet it takes 5 turns. There are so many 1-3CMC reanimators, by the time you can play the aide you could have ended the game.

Agarrita80

But aid can hit omniscience on turn five or  {Enter the Infinite} ; puts it directly into play . Once unburial rites goes away its going to skyrocket. Oh and don't forget about  {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}!

MisterJH

I still think for the most part itd be safer to {animate dead} on turn 2-3, but who knows it may

Death Gaara

Quote from: Agarrita80 on May 08, 2013, 10:24:13 PM
{Voice of Resurgence}  {Legion's Initiative}  {Angel of Serenity}  {Deathrite Shaman}  {Aurelia, the Warleader}  {Obzedat, Ghost Council} are all good cards in the block! I'm sure I'm missing some, but I don't think the block was entirely crappy. Aggro is a little out of control and we have to deal with that for a while. I think  {Obzedat's Aid} is going to be a legacy staple. Any other cards that I missed?

And out of all of those you listed, how many will retain their value? The answer is almost none. Again, this block (specifically DGM) is weak in value.

Silent1236

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Quote from: Agarrita80 on May 08, 2013, 10:24:13 PM
{Voice of Resurgence}  {Legion's Initiative}  {Angel of Serenity}  {Deathrite Shaman}  {Aurelia, the Warleader}  {Obzedat, Ghost Council} are all good cards in the block! I'm sure I'm missing some, but I don't think the block was entirely crappy. Aggro is a little out of control and we have to deal with that for a while. I think  {Obzedat's Aid} is going to be a legacy staple. Any other cards that I missed?

Once rotation happens, how much of this will still be valuable?  If nothing super awesome is printed in theros, m14, so on, then {Deathrote Shaman} and {Abrupt Decay} are the only two I can think of off the top of my head. I think {Obzedat's Aid} could find a niche somewhere, bit I dont see how playable it is in other formats. Sure you can reanimate {Omnisicience}, but several turns earlier, you could have {Exhume}d a {Griselbrand} or {Goryo's Vengeance}d an {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}.

With {Show and Tell} around, I really don't see {Obzedat's Aid} becoming a legacy staple, either

MisterJH

Quote from: Silent1236 on May 09, 2013, 12:44:39 AM
Quote from: Agarrita80 on May 08, 2013, 10:24:13 PM
{Voice of Resurgence}  {Legion's Initiative}  {Angel of Serenity}  {Deathrite Shaman}  {Aurelia, the Warleader}  {Obzedat, Ghost Council} are all good cards in the block! I'm sure I'm missing some, but I don't think the block was entirely crappy. Aggro is a little out of control and we have to deal with that for a while. I think  {Obzedat's Aid} is going to be a legacy staple. Any other cards that I missed?

Once rotation happens, how much of this will still be valuable?  If nothing super awesome is printed in theros, m14, so on, then {Deathrote Shaman} and {Abrupt Decay} are the only two I can think of off the top of my head. I think {Obzedat's Aid} could find a niche somewhere, bit I dont see how playable it is in other formats. Sure you can reanimate {Omnisicience}, but several turns earlier, you could have {Exhume}d a {Griselbrand} or {Goryo's Vengeance}d an {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}.

With {Show and Tell} around, I really don't see {Obzedat's Aid} becoming a legacy staple, either

I agree with everything except the reanimation of emrakul. He cannot hit the GY, his last effect shuffles him back into the deck. However your point is valid and agreed with.

InfinitiveDivinity

{Deathrite Shaman} is one of the most versatile 1-drops ever printed. I can definitely see him rising in value in a few years. {Abrupt Decay} is also seeing a ton of play in other formats. The rest of the block is a little meh when it comes to value retention though. Nothing else really comes to mind to be honest.

Death Gaara

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Quote from: MisterJH on May 09, 2013, 01:12:19 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on May 09, 2013, 12:44:39 AM
Quote from: Agarrita80 on May 08, 2013, 10:24:13 PM
{Voice of Resurgence}  {Legion's Initiative}  {Angel of Serenity}  {Deathrite Shaman}  {Aurelia, the Warleader}  {Obzedat, Ghost Council} are all good cards in the block! I'm sure I'm missing some, but I don't think the block was entirely crappy. Aggro is a little out of control and we have to deal with that for a while. I think  {Obzedat's Aid} is going to be a legacy staple. Any other cards that I missed?

Once rotation happens, how much of this will still be valuable?  If nothing super awesome is printed in theros, m14, so on, then {Deathrote Shaman} and {Abrupt Decay} are the only two I can think of off the top of my head. I think {Obzedat's Aid} could find a niche somewhere, bit I dont see how playable it is in other formats. Sure you can reanimate {Omnisicience}, but several turns earlier, you could have {Exhume}d a {Griselbrand} or {Goryo's Vengeance}d an {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}.

With {Show and Tell} around, I really don't see {Obzedat's Aid} becoming a legacy staple, either

I agree with everything except the reanimation of emrakul. He cannot hit the GY, his last effect shuffles him back into the deck. However your point is valid and agreed with.

Sorry, but this is where you are wrong. {Goryo's Vengeance} is an instant. Emrakul's ability goes on the stack when it hits the GY. Since the ability is on the stack and he is present in the GY at that time, you can respond with the instant before it gets shuffled back into your deck. Thus reanimating Emrakul as a valid target for the spell (The other cards in your GY still get shuffled in). The only reason this is not played in Modern more is it is very glass cannon like. It is easy to  disrupt and is actually hard to pull off with all of the potential GY hate.

Agarrita80

Interesting never knew it worked like that.

Falcon182

 {Goryo's Vengeance} is the only instant speed reanimate effect that I know of, so normally it doesn't work like that for this type of effect. You can use cards like  {Surgical Extraction} or  {Extirpate} to snag an  {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} as it hits the GY though.

InfinitiveDivinity

Quote from: Falcon182 on May 10, 2013, 01:04:01 PM
{Goryo's Vengeance} is the only instant speed reanimate effect that I know of, so normally it doesn't work like that for this type of effect. You can use cards like  {Surgical Extraction} or  {Extirpate} to snag an  {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} as it hits the GY though.
Yep, it's the only way I can stop it Game 1 vs. Tron lol.