M14 (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)

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Iandtormentor

Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards. :)

Woo another control fan!!! (And mill to!)

Death Gaara

Quote from: MisterJH on May 08, 2013, 09:44:02 PM
The only problem is with how limited control is in the environment, rogue(and thus CHEAP) control is a fantasy. At the very least i feel as if shelling out 50+$ on snappys, 70+$ on sphinx's, and 100+$ on shocks is unavoidable. I cant support all the super hyped utility cards on top of shocks

I have everything necessary. That is why I pickup cards when they are cheap. Forecasting is a great skill to learn.

Apathy Reactor

Quote from: Iandtormentor on May 08, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards. :)

Woo another control fan!!! (And mill to!)
Yup! I've always preferred outsmarting to overpowering, but Mill n Kill at the same time? I like that strategy too, as (even though they can't really do anything about it) they will watch their health more than their library.

Iandtormentor

Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on May 08, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards. :)

Woo another control fan!!! (And mill to!)
Yup! I've always preferred outsmarting to overpowering, but Mill n Kill at the same time? I like that strategy too, as (even though they can't really do anything about it) they will watch their health more than their library.
ya mill is so much fun!

Iandtormentor

I hope they bring it back to a playable strategy in standard with M14!

MisterJH

Quote from: Death Gaara on May 08, 2013, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: MisterJH on May 08, 2013, 09:44:02 PM
The only problem is with how limited control is in the environment, rogue(and thus CHEAP) control is a fantasy. At the very least i feel as if shelling out 50+$ on snappys, 70+$ on sphinx's, and 100+$ on shocks is unavoidable. I cant support all the super hyped utility cards on top of shocks

I have everything necessary. That is why I pickup cards when they are cheap. Forecasting is a great skill to learn.

I just started again so im behind on all that, hopefully one day ill be able to play stafar control despite all odds

FlickerYourOwnIdentity

I say, we shouldn't be too optimistic about control in M14.  They are bringing back bloodthirst, slivers (which is one of the most straight forward tribals ever played.), and all these aggro things, even the mythic demon is aggro.  It is depressing me the more, and more I look at the spoilers.

Quisequise

Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on May 08, 2013, 10:22:16 PM
I say, we shouldn't be too optimistic about control in M14.  They are bringing back bloodthirst, slivers (which is one of the most straight forward tribals ever played.), and all these aggro things, even the mythic demon is aggro.  It is depressing me the more, and more I look at the spoilers.

Where'd you see a mythic demon?

MisterJH

Im 100% hopeless about aggro, i honestly, truly believe it may never become a big part of Standard MtG ever again.. Of course i am sort of a pesimist

Dudecore

I feel that Slivers are going to be a kitchen table/casual thing. I don't see them being a truly potent deck, much like Exalted decks weren't running the tournament scene - while they practically made themselves and were very potent casually. Core sets have rarely (perhaps never) dictated the meta, just merely give tools to expert expansions.

Slivers will be a thing in limited. I don't see a sliver being designed that is better then {Burning-Tree Emissary}, {Boros Reckoner} and {Voice of Resurgence}. They're too dependent on each other.

Death Gaara

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Quote from: Dudecore on May 08, 2013, 11:49:48 PM
I feel that Slivers are going to be a kitchen table/casual thing. I don't see them being a truly potent deck, much like Exalted decks weren't running the tournament scene - while they practically made themselves and were very potent casually. Core sets have rarely (perhaps never) dictated the meta, just merely give tools to expert expansions.

Slivers will be a thing in limited. I don't see a sliver being designed that is better then {Burning-Tree Emissary}, {Boros Reckoner} and {Voice of Resurgence}. They're too dependent on each other.

^ This. Slivers are overrated. Too many people now are afraid of them when they were not even playing when Slivers were in standard before.

Foreplay0333

Quote from: Monrodesign on May 08, 2013, 06:30:24 PM
My local card shop said there's a chance to see {Birds of Paradise}.  Any news on it?

I think if they added evolve to it, it would be even more nasty!

IntoFire

Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on May 08, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards. :)

Woo another control fan!!! (And mill to!)
Yup! I've always preferred outsmarting to overpowering, but Mill n Kill at the same time? I like that strategy too, as (even though they can't really do anything about it) they will watch their health more than their library.

I usually don't go against a mill deck unless I'm using my Izzet deck.

Apathy Reactor

Quote from: IntoFire on May 09, 2013, 05:01:02 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: Iandtormentor on May 08, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on May 08, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
I'm a new player, only been at it a few months, but I love control. aggro is pretty simple and strait forward, but countering them at every turn is a pretty great feeling, even in standard when everybody is like "wtf is this guy doing?"
my favorite win condition is always milling though, which I will usually shoot for if their deck has less than 120 cards. :)

Woo another control fan!!! (And mill to!)
Yup! I've always preferred outsmarting to overpowering, but Mill n Kill at the same time? I like that strategy too, as (even though they can't really do anything about it) they will watch their health more than their library.

I usually don't go against a mill deck unless I'm using my Izzet deck.
yup! I like izzet! only other thing that is good against mill is maybe goblins because they are super fast and can swamp them.

Mikefrompluto

Quote from: Death Gaara on May 09, 2013, 12:07:25 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on May 08, 2013, 11:49:48 PM
I feel that Slivers are going to be a kitchen table/casual thing. I don't see them being a truly potent deck, much like Exalted decks weren't running the tournament scene - while they practically made themselves and were very potent casually. Core sets have rarely (perhaps never) dictated the meta, just merely give tools to expert expansions.

Slivers will be a thing in limited. I don't see a sliver being designed that is better then {Burning-Tree Emissary}, {Boros Reckoner} and {Voice of Resurgence}. They're too dependent on each other.

^ This. Slivers are overrated. Too many people now are afraid of them when they were not even playing when Slivers were in standard before.

It's the internet, man. They see veteran players grumble about slivers and echo those sentiments. Personally, I don't like the new ones because (as it's been said before) they are high-costed and they look too humanoid to me.