Dimir Deckout

[abstractApathist]

So using Snapcaster Mage and the other creature for what you are describing isn't going to work?

They aren't 5/5. Sometimes you need a big creature to deal with other threats.

Yeah, I would just easily stall them without it and win through tapping the mainland sideways or milling them more than there deck could handle. It is a waste of space and more of an aggro route in a control based deck. It doesn't seem always reliable while other cards are. Did you know I have a card with regenerate?

I noticed {Kathari Remnant}, but trample would allow large amounts of damage to get through to you quickly.

An what has trample besides {rancor}? I'd rather deal with that in other ways than waste a space for such a narrow card that would take away from the deck's purpose.

How does {Jace's Phantasm} take away from the deck's purpose? It stalls for time against trample much better than  {Kathari Remnant}. Trample cards include (but are not limited to):  {Rancor}, {Colossal Might}, {Advent of the Wurm}, {Armada Wurm}, {Titanic Ultimatum}, {Lotleth Troll}, {Ghor-Clan Rampager}, etc...

Which, out of all of those cards, only one is used in modern basically. Phantasm is just a block the could die easier than remnants. I can regenerate and use again and again. Jace seems like a one time thing against most cards and is much better at aggression which takes a way from a control factor and does a lot less than Remnants and Snappychan.

{Jace's Phantasm} seems better since I can play it for a single mana instead of skipping a turn of milling for a 0/1.

[DeathlyFoiend]

So using Snapcaster Mage and the other creature for what you are describing isn't going to work?

They aren't 5/5. Sometimes you need a big creature to deal with other threats.

Yeah, I would just easily stall them without it and win through tapping the mainland sideways or milling them more than there deck could handle. It is a waste of space and more of an aggro route in a control based deck. It doesn't seem always reliable while other cards are. Did you know I have a card with regenerate?

I noticed {Kathari Remnant}, but trample would allow large amounts of damage to get through to you quickly.

An what has trample besides {rancor}? I'd rather deal with that in other ways than waste a space for such a narrow card that would take away from the deck's purpose.

How does {Jace's Phantasm} take away from the deck's purpose? It stalls for time against trample much better than  {Kathari Remnant}. Trample cards include (but are not limited to):  {Rancor}, {Colossal Might}, {Advent of the Wurm}, {Armada Wurm}, {Titanic Ultimatum}, {Lotleth Troll}, {Ghor-Clan Rampager}, etc...

Which, out of all of those cards, only one is used in modern basically. Phantasm is just a block the could die easier than remnants. I can regenerate and use again and again. Jace seems like a one time thing against most cards and is much better at aggression which takes a way from a control factor and does a lot less than Remnants and Snappychan.

{Jace's Phantasm} seems better since I can play it for a single mana instead of skipping a turn of milling for a 0/1.

How an I skipping a turn of mill if it has cascade?

[abstractApathist]

So using Snapcaster Mage and the other creature for what you are describing isn't going to work?

They aren't 5/5. Sometimes you need a big creature to deal with other threats.

Yeah, I would just easily stall them without it and win through tapping the mainland sideways or milling them more than there deck could handle. It is a waste of space and more of an aggro route in a control based deck. It doesn't seem always reliable while other cards are. Did you know I have a card with regenerate?

I noticed {Kathari Remnant}, but trample would allow large amounts of damage to get through to you quickly.

An what has trample besides {rancor}? I'd rather deal with that in other ways than waste a space for such a narrow card that would take away from the deck's purpose.

How does {Jace's Phantasm} take away from the deck's purpose? It stalls for time against trample much better than  {Kathari Remnant}. Trample cards include (but are not limited to):  {Rancor}, {Colossal Might}, {Advent of the Wurm}, {Armada Wurm}, {Titanic Ultimatum}, {Lotleth Troll}, {Ghor-Clan Rampager}, etc...

Which, out of all of those cards, only one is used in modern basically. Phantasm is just a block the could die easier than remnants. I can regenerate and use again and again. Jace seems like a one time thing against most cards and is much better at aggression which takes a way from a control factor and does a lot less than Remnants and Snappychan.

{Jace's Phantasm} seems better since I can play it for a single mana instead of skipping a turn of milling for a 0/1.

How an I skipping a turn of mill if it has cascade?

Right, forgot that bit. I suppose that cascade does always get you another mill, but I would still prefer a nice 5/5. If you don't run the phantasm, however, you will probably want to run {Crypt Incursion}.

[DeathlyFoiend]

So using Snapcaster Mage and the other creature for what you are describing isn't going to work?

They aren't 5/5. Sometimes you need a big creature to deal with other threats.

Yeah, I would just easily stall them without it and win through tapping the mainland sideways or milling them more than there deck could handle. It is a waste of space and more of an aggro route in a control based deck. It doesn't seem always reliable while other cards are. Did you know I have a card with regenerate?

I noticed {Kathari Remnant}, but trample would allow large amounts of damage to get through to you quickly.

An what has trample besides {rancor}? I'd rather deal with that in other ways than waste a space for such a narrow card that would take away from the deck's purpose.

How does {Jace's Phantasm} take away from the deck's purpose? It stalls for time against trample much better than  {Kathari Remnant}. Trample cards include (but are not limited to):  {Rancor}, {Colossal Might}, {Advent of the Wurm}, {Armada Wurm}, {Titanic Ultimatum}, {Lotleth Troll}, {Ghor-Clan Rampager}, etc...

Which, out of all of those cards, only one is used in modern basically. Phantasm is just a block the could die easier than remnants. I can regenerate and use again and again. Jace seems like a one time thing against most cards and is much better at aggression which takes a way from a control factor and does a lot less than Remnants and Snappychan.

{Jace's Phantasm} seems better since I can play it for a single mana instead of skipping a turn of milling for a 0/1.

How an I skipping a turn of mill if it has cascade?

Right, forgot that bit. I suppose that cascade does always get you another mill, but I would still prefer a nice 5/5. If you don't run the phantasm, however, you will probably want to run {Crypt Incursion}.

Then have an inconsistent 5/5 while I get a chump blocker and a free spell. I rather not run a cheap card that seems rather inconsistent in many match ups. Exile creature cards isn't too big a problem. The life lost is nothing and I could do better by turning  {Creeping Tar Pit} sideways.

[Bman0121]

{Undercity Informer} and  {Lingering Souls}

Spashing another color wouldn't really help for just one card. Doesn't really do anything besides chump block for me. It is better when it can also be a win condition. The black card just seems arguably bad for milling since it only gives up to one land.

It slows down the game gives you 4 lands with  {Undercity Informer} and can is easily splashed

[DeathlyFoiend]

{Undercity Informer} and  {Lingering Souls}

Spashing another color wouldn't really help for just one card. Doesn't really do anything besides chump block for me. It is better when it can also be a win condition. The black card just seems arguably bad for milling since it only gives up to one land.

It slows down the game gives you 4 lands with  {Undercity Informer} and can is easily splashed

I am running {Snapcaster Mage} to chump block and get in 2 extra damage. I am running 25 lands. I am more likely to play a land in the first 4 turns than not. {Undercity Informer} does nothing to help me and playing it on turn 4 just to use it then is a waste since it only searches for 1 land practically. Chump block is practically a joke early on since I am playing {Devastion Tide} and {Damnation} to help me get rid of all the creatures that bother me too much while chump blocking with Snapcaster mage. It may be easily splashed, but it is not worth it at all.