Banned list update

[Keyeto]

I don't think I've ever seen {Trade Secrets} used in such a fashion. It's been played in almost every multiplayer EDH game I've played, and its never been that obnoxious. If it ever got that out of hand, I can guarantee some {Underworld Dreams} would be thrown in to prevent it.

If you want to ban unfair card advantage, you're looking at a long list, starting with the already mentioned {Consecrated Sphinx} and {Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur}. I run both in my reanimator deck, and let me tell you, they hardly cause a problem. They get targetted so fast, they hardly have a chance to do anything.

And that's what irritates me about this banning. Up until now, I could understand all the cards and why they were banned. But this? If you want to get rid of unfun gaming environments, {Zur the Enchanter} is way above {Trade Secrets}. He turns four player games into "oh god, kill Zur or we lose" games. Sheesh.

[Wackaman9001]

Where did you see the list update?

[Jackson get out]

Mtgcommander.net has nothing to do with commander decks being printed, and mtgcommander is the closest thing to an authority on this casual format

Oh my bad! Thanks for letting me know though:)

[Stoneco1d869]

Why did they do this? They unban a notorious infinite combo engine, and then ban a really fun draw spell? Great, now even the ban list for EDH is going down a dark path.

My thought exactly... {Staff of Domination}..really??

Just curious, but how do you abuse  {Trade Secrets}?? I always found it fun.

[Keyeto]

Why did they do this? They unban a notorious infinite combo engine, and then ban a really fun draw spell? Great, now even the ban list for EDH is going down a dark path.

My thought exactly... {Staff of Domination}..really??

Just curious, but how do you abuse  {Trade Secrets}?? I always found it fun.

It's not easy to, but possible I suppose. It's more abusable by the opponent, since they control the draw. If they have {Laboratory Maniac}, {Psychosis Crawler}, or {Underworld Dreams} they could pretty easily kill you. That's really based on the opponent though, it's not really something you can abuse yourself that easily. I think this was a poor call, and honestly, my playgroup is probably going to ignore it.

Edit: Actually, underworld dreams wouldn't do much, since you could choose to draw nothing. This ban is odd...

[Stoneco1d869]

A very odd ban and unban. You get rid of a card that could potentially be abused, for a card that has a history of being abused for combos?? I don't get it.

Not to mention you give one of the most powerful generals(Sharuum) another powerful card. I have played {trade secrets} in many games that have 3+ players and I never heard anyone complain.  Again it is one of the better political cards available.

[Moneekahh]

Okay WTF?

[Gorzo]

Okay WTF?

Lol my exact reaction when Chris first posted this. I'm so glad I'm not alone on how I feel about this ban, no one I've talked to so far thinks this banning makes any sense.

[Wackaman9001]

I'm thinking its a rumor, seems like a terrible ban all around. Last ban we saw mixed reactions, with {primeval Titan} being seen as a powerhouse and {worldfire} being utterly broken in the format. This time, nobody sees {trade secrets} as a threat to their playstyle, it makes a fun multiplayer game less about interactions with other players, and gives the right decks basically a win as soon as they play their {staff of domination}. If this is for some terrible reason the truth, I will either dismantle all my edh decks in disgust or find people to ignore the new list.

Tl;dr: I'm going to pretend this never happened

[Moneekahh]

What I wanted them to ban was {Sorin Markov} and/or {Master of Cruelties}. Maybe ban as commander {Zur the Enchanter} and/or {Kaalia of the Vast}.

Doubt Kaalia would get banned, they printed her especially for this format, and even reprinted her in Commander's Arsenal. Pretty sure she's here to stay.

[ChrisRodriguez]

What I wanted them to ban was {Sorin Markov} and/or {Master of Cruelties}. Maybe ban as commander {Zur the Enchanter} and/or {Kaalia of the Vast}.

Doubt Kaalia would get banned, they printed her especially for this format, and even reprinted her in Commander's Arsenal. Pretty sure she's here to stay.

I just want her banned as commander not from EDH entirely. The same goes for Zur.

[MarduArrow]

What I wanted them to ban was {Sorin Markov} and/or {Master of Cruelties}. Maybe ban as commander {Zur the Enchanter} and/or {Kaalia of the Vast}.

Doubt Kaalia would get banned, they printed her especially for this format, and even reprinted her in Commander's Arsenal. Pretty sure she's here to stay.

I just want her banned as commander not from EDH entirely. The same goes for Zur.

I disagree completely with banning kaalia, one that should be banned is thrax

[Gorzo]

{Thraximundar}? He's fine. Sure he's powerful, but his mana cost is so heavy that players can have have answers ready for him by the time he's cast. Zur and Kaalia are both much faster to get out, making the harder to deal with - especially Zur who immediately tutors shroud enchantments.

I could see Zur getting the no-commander ban. I don't see it happening to Kaalia. And I see no reason to ban Thrax.

[Dudecore]

They should just ban {Kaalia of the Vast} because she practically makes the deck for you. It's boring. Oh cool, protection package and Angels, Demons and Dragons that do thing when they EtB? What a blast.

[Wackaman9001]

It's true, the only way to win against kaalia is to outpace Her or something like {nevermore} her away