Eggs are done

Started by Crapshooter, April 22, 2013, 12:34:40 AM

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Crapshooter

I don't know wether to be happy or sad,  {Second Sunrise} is being banned! Yes, simply because of eggs.

InfinitiveDivinity


Silent1236

I'm glad to see it, but I honestly don't think it was reasonable. Yes, eggs was a boring deck to face.  Yes, games took a very long time.  Yes, I hate eggs and have whined about it many tines on here.  No, eggs was not a definite win.  No, eggs was not impossible to beat.

I am happy about this, but I kinda see it as a means of "out with the old, in with the new." Eggs got pretty popular in recent times, and it just seems like WotC wanted something new in modern and it was just forced upon modern players by removing a Jund powerhouse, shutting down storm, and now shutting down eggs. What's next?  Ban {Vendillion Clique}/{Cryptic Command}/{Snapcaster Mage}/{Threads of Disloyalty}/{Mana Leak}/{Island}?  Yes, creativity in decks is a good thing, but modern is seeming to get hit with the ban hammer pretty easily... 

InfinitiveDivinity

I think Wizards is trying to make Modern a constantly evolving format. Sure it's restricted, but it's way better than Standard. Every so gle card in Standard is legal in Modern, and there are soooo many cards legal in Modern, people just need to get creative. So another net deck died, and?...


Dudecore

I don't think this was a good move. Modern is just full of good stuff decks now. Jam the most powerful spells into 1 deck and have fun fighting with stacks of money.

And to Silents point, yes {Cryptic Command} will be banned at some point. It disrupts too many decks and that isn't "fun". It is EVERYTHING people hate about control. Tempo, counters, card advantage?

There is nothing wrong with hating out Eggs, it is a natural part of every evolving format. My big problem with Modern is that, they do not let it evolve. Eggs is one of the first "Modern" decks, it was a deck that format could truly call it's own. Everything else is a neutered Legacy deck or a former Standard deck. It stinks they ruined one of the faces of the format, and something that was drumming up a ton of interest in the format.

What is exciting about BUG Delver?

FlickerYourOwnIdentity

My question is why did {Regrowth} get restricted in vintage??!?

Silent1236

Maybe they're just trying to make tron the biggest threat at PTs and stuff :P.

That's why I love modern, there's a whole lot to choose from.  But these decks get huge and powerful, and then just get shut down. Yeah, it's just another dead netdeck, but how much are they gonna ban before modern is just slightly extended standard?  I know that sounds ludicrous, but honestly, is banning something good the way to go?  Why not ban some of the standard powerhouses then?  Tired of seeing {Thragtusk}?  Ban it! 

Yes, standard rotates and we have to deal with the "Don't worry, {Thragtusk}'ll rotate soon enough.". I don't understand why that mentality can't be used in modern.  The top players in big events are good at playing different things. Over time, they'll come up with new and inventive ways to use things. Just because eggs is big now doesn't mean it would have been later on down the road.

Tl;dr
....it's a rant. I probably wouldn't read it if I wasn't very interested either :P

Dudecore

Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on April 22, 2013, 01:02:17 AM
My question is why did {Regrowth} get restricted in vintage??!?

It was on the first restricted list I think. {Black Lotus}, {Time Walk}, {name anything else restricted} can cheaply become reusable if you were allowed multiple {Regrowth}. I don't play Vintage, but it seems like a bit of a mistake. 5  {Ancestral Recall} seems mighty scary if you can get that ball rolling. 9 with {Snapcaster Mage}.

Coffee Vampire

Woah I am pretty sure either dudecore or gorzo called the banning of an eggs component. Sorry can't remember which, but whoever you are, good job! Haha

Man that's sad...eggs was such a neat deck. And really, it's not that hard to beat post board. Why...

Dudecore

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on April 22, 2013, 01:26:25 AM
Woah I am pretty sure either dudecore or gorzo called the banning of an eggs component. Sorry can't remember which, but whoever you are, good job! Haha

Man that's sad...eggs was such a neat deck. And really, it's not that hard to beat post board. Why...

Death Gaara did. I knew it was gonna happen too. It's a shame they did it to a deck that was going to be hated away anyway, it couldn't respond post-board to anyone. It just makes modern another boring format: good stuff, pod or Tron. Pick your. Wizards has REALLY whiffed on their promises for Modern format.

It's too expensive (staples are not being printed quickly enough), too restricted, too uninteresting to break into. It completely fails as an eternal format.

Crapshooter

Article explains, took too long on extra turns.

Coffee Vampire

Quote from: Crapshooter on April 22, 2013, 01:31:18 AM
Article explains, took too long on extra turns.
Wow I just read the article and that has got to be the lamest reason to ban a card, ever. Not one mention of the egg deck's potency, just that it takes too long. Well .love. that.

Mikefrompluto

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on April 22, 2013, 01:38:58 AM
Quote from: Crapshooter on April 22, 2013, 01:31:18 AM
Article explains, took too long on extra turns.
Wow I just read the article and that has got to be the lamest reason to ban a card, ever. Not one mention of the egg deck's potency, just that it takes too long. Well .love. that.

Its a sign of the times, really. Wizards' banning of {second sunrise} perfectly reflects today's society. We want everything instantly. No waiting. OF COURSE they would ban the key component to a deck that takes 15 minute turns. Second sunrise is the equivalent to dial-up. Out with the old, in with he new.

Seriously, modern's banned list is ridiculous.

Dudecore

Quote from: Crapshooter on April 22, 2013, 01:31:18 AM
Article explains, took too long on extra turns.

I can understand it - but it's a constant thing with the format. The format seems so narrow. The second anything becomes good, it dominates and gets banned. Faeries, Jund, Storm (did it even get a chance?) now Eggs. It seems like it's too easy for any one deck to dominate, because the answers aren't strong.

When is the last time they touched Legacy? {Force of Will} keeps everyone in line, and you almost always see different decks on top. Modern on the other hand is relegated to playing {Birthing Pod} decks (rehashed from Standard), Tron (watered down from Legacy) or 3-color AllOfTheGoodStuff.

Everyone grab your favorite decks and head down to the world famous "Watch {Deathrite Shaman} ping you forever" tournament! Eggs was a cool deck, not fun to play against, not fun to watch, not fun to think about, not fun to watch your opponent like a hawk - waiting for them to screw up the combo (which was most people). It was just Modern's contribution to Magic. A way to set itself apart from other formats. Modern wasn't going to be known as "the format that Eggs is the only good deck", it was being hated on and would be beaten back into submission.