Goodbye Bomber Suspect

[Birdbrain]

I break into your house, beat you up and tie you to a chair. I kill your mother while you are watching. Do you need to know what is in my heart to know if I'm murderer?

Well if you did that because my mother busted into your house and tied you up while killing your mother, without telling me, would that not change the situation? In your eyes you are just in acting justice but in mine you are a murderer.

what if his mothers husband started it by killing your mothers husband. What than?

[Dudecore]

What if your mother died from malaria or stampeded by elephants. Should we give the death penalty to malaria? Either way someone is dead.

(Obviously rhetorical)

[Birdbrain]

If you kill someone for killing someone, shouldn't you be killed? An eye for an eye could go on indefinitely. Even if its justified under the law, its hypocritical

[Mikefrompluto]

If you kill someone for killing someone, shouldn't you be killed? An eye for an eye could go on indefinitely. Even if its justified under the law, its hypocritical

See: Romeo and Juliet (fictional but still applies,) the Hatfields and McCoys, etc.

[Piotr]

If you kill someone for killing someone, shouldn't you be killed?

Of course not: iMtG law says that the punishment is to be dealt *regardless of the will of the one being punished*. It says so to make sure you cannot be legally punished for dealing legal punishment. If it didn't say 'regardless of the will of the one being punished', the punishment would be illegal because the law says that you cannot do to others what they wouldn't like to be done to them. Punishment is something nobody likes to be done to them ;)

Most state laws work different from that.

[Piotr]

If you kill someone for killing someone, shouldn't you be killed? An eye for an eye could go on indefinitely. Even if its justified under the law, its hypocritical

See: Romeo and Juliet (fictional but still applies,) the Hatfields and McCoys, etc.

You cannot prevent .poo. from happening, there always will be problems because you cannot stop all the bad people all the time. You can only try to have the best available law and the best available system of enforcing the law.

[Birdbrain]

There could be other ways to take away someone's life other than killing them. I know for a fact oppression takes away someone's life. All the people in Dafur and Zimbabwe that lived through the mass killing still had tere life taken away from them until it stoped. If someone's free will is taken from them, there life is technically gone, because there life is technically not theres

I wouldn't wish these things on anyone. Just saying there are other ways to take a life

[Piotr]

No need to complicate simple things, please.

[Mikefrompluto]

If you kill someone for killing someone, shouldn't you be killed? An eye for an eye could go on indefinitely. Even if its justified under the law, its hypocritical

See: Romeo and Juliet (fictional but still applies,) the Hatfields and McCoys, etc.

You cannot prevent .poo. from happening, there always will be problems because you cannot stop all the bad people all the time. You can only try to have the best available law and the best available system of enforcing the law.

I was not arguing one side or the other. Just offering examples of a statement someone made.

[Birdbrain]

Taking away someone's purpose in life takes away there life as well. Because that reduces them to nothing

[Piotr]

If you kill someone for killing someone, shouldn't you be killed? An eye for an eye could go on indefinitely. Even if its justified under the law, its hypocritical

See: Romeo and Juliet (fictional but still applies,) the Hatfields and McCoys, etc.

You cannot prevent .poo. from happening, there always will be problems because you cannot stop all the bad people all the time. You can only try to have the best available law and the best available system of enforcing the law.

I was not arguing one side or the other. Just offering examples of a statement someone made.

I'm not offended in either case, and I hope I'm not offending you ;)

[Piotr]

Taking away someone's purpose in life takes away there life as well. Because that reduces them to nothing

And for that, would you propose what kind of punishment?

[Birdbrain]

I don't decide people's punishments. That's not my job, I'm just trying to say there are other ways to take a life than killing them as well. He's going to feel the consiqunces of his behavior. Natural and otherwise

[Mikefrompluto]

If you kill someone for killing someone, shouldn't you be killed? An eye for an eye could go on indefinitely. Even if its justified under the law, its hypocritical

See: Romeo and Juliet (fictional but still applies,) the Hatfields and McCoys, etc.

You cannot prevent .poo. from happening, there always will be problems because you cannot stop all the bad people all the time. You can only try to have the best available law and the best available system of enforcing the law.

I was not arguing one side or the other. Just offering examples of a statement someone made.

I'm not offended in either case, and I hope I'm not offending you ;)

No sir, not offended here.

[ApexPredator]

Gonna jump right in. I believe in the death penalty myself. I think it should be pushed more personally. Why does someone who has murdered someone and most likely brought grief to the family of that person get to live? Although they're actions have been somewhat limited in jail they enjoy luxuries a lot of people do not have. I spent three months in boot camp and had less freedoms then the convicted felons. Although it was my choice to join the military I chose to protect people that hate me because of a war I had no decision in. These convicts have better meals than veterans deployed overseas. They have conjugal visits while our veterans barely get to speak to they're loved ones. Tell me how this is right? If you are to abolish the death penalty like so many of you want you must take away the luxuries of the incarcerated.  What's rehabilitating about working out and watching tv everyday? Hell they can take college courses while in jail. How many people can't afford college and end up destitute while convicts get to go to school? So yes I would rather a murderer be put to death then live a life in more luxury than the majority if Americans.