Price speculation for Dragon's Maze spoilers

[izik99]

I think Master of cruelties will be atleast $20

[Xaol]

I think Master of cruelties will be atleast $20

I don't see it. Very hard to get him to connect: by the turn you get him out, they are very likely to have an answer.

[Vyse]

Turn two  {Heartless Summoning}, turn three master, turn four  {Rogue's Passage}.. They wouldn't see him as a threat as a 0/3 but he doesn't have to have power for his effect to work...

[All-Mana Mania]

Turn two  {Heartless Summoning}, turn three master, turn four  {Rogue's Passage}.. They wouldn't see him as a threat as a 0/3 but he doesn't have to have power for his effect to work...

Woah!! +1

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

I agree with vyse, or you could use {artful dodge}

[Vyse]

Ahhh my bad you need 4 mana and to tap  {Rogue's Passage} so earliest is turn 5 without ramp in mine, I think  {Artful Dodge} would be better in this case

[Dudecore]

Until anyone plays with him, I'm going to reserve judgement. We haven't really had a card like this before, nothing to compare it to and I think there are far too many answers to it currently.

The entire {heartless summoning}, {rogues passage} and things like that, to cheat it out early don't make all the difference. It is sort of irrelevant how soon it comes out, or how unblockable it is. There are answers beyond turn 2.

Edit: like the newly spoiled "Renounce the Guilds".

[Vyse]

Until anyone plays with him, I'm going to reserve judgement. We haven't really had a card like this before, nothing to compare it to and I think there are far too many answers to it currently.

The entire {heartless summoning}, {rogues passage} and things like that, to cheat it out early don't make all the difference. It is sort of irrelevant how soon it comes out, or how unblockable it is. There are answers beyond turn 2.

Edit: like the newly spoiled "Renounce the Guilds".

Yes but would you really waste a kill spell right off the bat on a 0/3 without a rogues passage on the field? I wouldn't see it as much of a threat. The whole dies to removal arguement irritates me, you aren't always garunteed answers. Not to say he's a great card, but I still see his use. Bleh I shouldn't get upset over magic sometimes haha.

[Dudecore]

Ramping into creatures is relevant if you get value out of them. Yes, I would "waste" a kill spell on a 0/3 if I knew he did those things - I'd prefer not to. My point isn't that, it's just that more decks run removal.

Every threat has an answer, of course, but to say that because you can cheat him out doesn't make it a better/worse card. You can cheat out any card, you can answer any card, that is how the game works.

[Vyse]

While I agree I also want to reiterate the fact that you aren't guaranteed your removal, just like you aren't guaranteed heartless summoning and master himself. I never said he was a good card, the point I'm trying to make is every card has a use. At this point it seems like I'm arguing with myself, but to just say "he's useless, I WILL have an answer for him the second he comes out" is ridiculous. There are too many factors, there could be a bigger threat on the board for an example. I dunno, I'm just going to drop it.

[Silent1236]

Ok, while we're on the topic, what's all the hubub over this guy about?  IMO he's just a fun little casual card to piss someone off with once in a great while. Is he really competitively viable?  I'm going to go back and reread him to make sure I didn't miss something, but as of right now, I dont really see him being that good outside of edh

Yep, still don't understand.

[Frothandslosh]

What are your thoughts on the possible price of Advent of the Wurm?

[All-Mana Mania]

What are your thoughts on the possible price of Advent of the Wurm?

$3-$4

[Vyse]

Out if the gate it'll be more but 3-5 is def where I see it sitting latter on.

[MuggyWuggy]

I'm going to be interested in the effects for GTCs prices with synergy in this set. Commons like {artful dodge} will be staples and possibly restricted ala ponder in the future with abilities like cipher available.

The azorius battlefield caller may be a huge thing in the future for decks I build