Price guide numbers abnormally off

Started by MuggyWuggy, April 02, 2013, 01:57:27 PM

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MuggyWuggy

So I peeped the {doubling chant} mentioned in another thread, it said $493 or some ridiculous amount, apparently my {crystal quarry} is worth $78 on average?

What's up with the price checker?

Piotr

Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?

reezel

Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards the users lately.

Piotr

Quote from: reezel on April 02, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards the users lately.

Care to show us a lot of examples of that, please? Filtered by 'undeserved' if possible.

reezel

Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:32:10 PM
Quote from: reezel on April 02, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards the users lately.

Care to show us a lot of examples of that, please? Filtered by 'undeserved' if possible.
I feel like this current example is one. It came off as an overreaction to me.

Silent1236

I wouldn't consider this lying, Piotr.  The price guide for him/her is terribly messed up on those 2 cards.

Rhazor

Quote from: reezel on April 02, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards the users lately.

+1

Piotr

Quote from: Silent1236 on April 02, 2013, 03:43:23 PM
I wouldn't consider this lying, Piotr.  The price guide for him/her is terribly messed up on those 2 cards.

Actually, TCGplayer fixed that already, so the price guide is not terribly messed up on those 2 cards either. In any case, this is not what he said, he said that the price guide as a whole is terribly messed up, which is a lie.

Silent1236

Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
Actually, TCGplayer fixed that already, so the price guide is not terribly messed up on those 2 cards either.
While that may be, that would cause all of, or at least most posts in the Price Jumps and Drops thread to be lies considering almost all of those surprised posts are now changed.

Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
In any case, this is not what he said, he said that the price guide as a whole is terribly messed up, which is a lie.

He/She wasn't implying that the entire price guide was messed up.  The title may not have said "for these 2 cards," but I am almost positive that it was supposed to be implied by the OP (correct me if I'm wrong, Muggy)

Piotr

Quote from: Silent1236 on April 02, 2013, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
In any case, this is not what he said, he said that the price guide as a whole is terribly messed up, which is a lie.

He/She wasn't implying that the entire price guide was messed up.

This is what he wrote. I don't care what his intentions were, I cannot see them nor he cannot prove them. Maybe people should start to be a little more careful of what they write?

reezel

Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on April 02, 2013, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
In any case, this is not what he said, he said that the price guide as a whole is terribly messed up, which is a lie.

He/She wasn't implying that the entire price guide was messed up.

This is what he wrote. I don't care what his intentions were, I cannot see them nor he cannot prove them. Maybe people should start to be a little more careful of what they write?
I feel like this is advice you need to take as well. You are coming off as rude and bullying to your users when you make statements like this. You have a great product. Please don't mess it up by being so openly hostile with your users who love it.

Silent1236

Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:11:17 PM
This is what he wrote. I don't care what his intentions were, I cannot see them nor he cannot prove them. Maybe people should start to be a little more careful of what they write?

I understand that you, me, and anyone else looking at this can't see his implications, but that's the beauty of implications, and the problem with them.  You don't have to see what he's implying to know what he means.  (I hope that doesn't come across as me talking down to you.  I really don't mean to :P)  I see no hostility or evidence of a lie coming from Muggywuggy's post.  He was simply asking what was going on with the price guide.  I've been there many times where I see something and think "Wtf is going on?" and immediately post/tweet/whatever about it without fully thinking it through.  While people should definitely think before they post and be more careful, sometimes it's difficult to stop and think when you see something surprising. 

Bozo_Law

Quote from: reezel on April 02, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards the users lately.

I agree with that. Piotr has been somewhat hostile lately.

Piotr

Quote from: reezel on April 02, 2013, 03:37:45 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:32:10 PM
Quote from: reezel on April 02, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Hmm, you come here with an example of two obscure cards having a strange average and call it 'Price guide terribly messed up'. How exactly is that not lying?
I feel like there's a lot of hostility towards the users lately.

Care to show us a lot of examples of that, please? Filtered by 'undeserved' if possible.
I feel like this current example is one. It came off as an overreaction to me.

Is it really? How do you define hostility?

Piotr

Quote from: Silent1236 on April 02, 2013, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Piotr on April 02, 2013, 04:11:17 PM
This is what he wrote. I don't care what his intentions were, I cannot see them nor he cannot prove them. Maybe people should start to be a little more careful of what they write?

I understand that you, me, and anyone else looking at this can't see his implications, but that's the beauty of implications, and the problem with them.  You don't have to see what he's implying to know what he means.  (I hope that doesn't come across as me talking down to you.  I really don't mean to :P)  I see no hostility or evidence of a lie coming from Muggywuggy's post.  He was simply asking what was going on with the price guide.  I've been there many times where I see something and think "Wtf is going on?" and immediately post/tweet/whatever about it without fully thinking it through.  While people should definitely think before they post and be more careful, sometimes it's difficult to stop and think when you see something surprising.

There's nothing wrong with people talking down to me, if they have a point.

I see no hostility either, but 'Price guide terribly messed up' leaves very little for interpretation. It is not a question. What it says is not true nor it wasn't true at the time when this topic was started. Hence, it was a lie, as far as logic goes. True or false?