Final fantasy

Started by Mike_garzone, March 31, 2013, 08:14:49 PM

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Richardalcala

I loved ff VI the best version is on the GBA. if you want to play it. 

Keyeto

Quote from: MementoMori on April 01, 2013, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 09:02:57 PM
SPOILERS
Very little of that is accurate.

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Serah's death is not out of nowhere; it's being set up throughout the game, and near the end, she states that she's aware of and accepts the consequences of her actions. And they're not on a quest to save her, but Lightning. And Lightning is neither dead nor bloodied; she turned herself to crystal (which, yeah, is stupid) to avoid dying.

When the plot outright tells you that Etro is holding things together, and that killing Caius will also kill Etro, expecting a happy ending after they kill Caius is pretty naive.

I have a lot of problems with 13-2, but its ending is not one of them. They set up clear consequences and followed through on them. A happy ending where they escaped all that would have been the real betrayal.
That's not what I got out of the game.
Noel accompanies Serah after saving her, to protect her on her journey to find her sister. Noel's purpose wasn't to save Lightning, but to help Serah. He wants to change the future, and help her find her sister. After the whole "visions of the future kills me" thing is established, and they kill the villain, there's the ending. Everyone is celebrating, and as I recall, Noel is happy because they changed the future, and her visions had stopped. This would mean she's saved! She thanks Noel, and then has.....a vision. All of a sudden, things aren't safe, you didn't change anyone's fate (which was one of the main points of the game), and everything that you thought you had fixed is horribly wrong again.
Apparently I misremembered Lightning's appearance, but with no explanation in-game as to what happened, I assumed her dead. I feel it's a betrayal to all the Final Fantasies; where's the happy ending? Where's the feeling of accomplishment? And then, what do we get?

"To be continued....."

MementoMori

Serah's life gets shorter with every vision she has. Her visions stopping wouldn't return what she'd lost.

And they did change the future; the future Noel came from was prevented. They just triggered something far worse as a consequence.

I guess I just don't believe everything needs a happy ending.

Keyeto

Quote from: MementoMori on April 01, 2013, 12:57:55 AM
Serah's life gets shorter with every vision she has. Her visions stopping wouldn't return what she'd lost.

And they did change the future; the future Noel came from was prevented. They just triggered something far worse as a consequence.

I guess I just don't believe everything needs a happy ending.
Fair enough, I just think it was a bit much. I like at least some sense of accomplishment. FFX had a sad ending, but you permanently ended Sin. Not a happy ending, but you get some accomplishment. The end of 13-2 just seems like a "everything you worked for was in vain" kind of feel to it. But hey, it's just not for me I suppose. The game didnt feel very Final Fantasy to me. I'm sure plenty of people enjoyed it; to each their own!

Silent1236

I honestly loved XIII and XIII-2. Sure XIII-2 had a story that was damn near impossible to follow, but it was fun to play. I feel like they really haven't captured characters well in the new ones. Hope is just a whiny little , Snow is just an over-zealous douche, Vanille is too annoying to matter, and Fang tries way too hard to be a badass.  That leaves Lightning and Sazh. They are the only 2 I really cared about in XIII. But it isn't like, let's just go with IV.  Fromthe start ofthe game, you can tell something is wrong with Cecil and that there are a lot of conflictions in his head.  Same with Kain.  And Rose (Rosa? Can't remember...) is the same way. Tellah's got his daughter's death to deal with.  Palom and Parom have each other.  Edward has Tellah's daughter/his wife to struggle with.  You really get a feel for the characters and what they're going through in older games. That's kinda lost in the newer ones. The focus was too much on cinematics and voices and trying to reveal as much as possible of the female character's skin.  A downloadable bikini for Serah?  Really?  That's reaching for a particular audience :P. The story and basis of the characters is just lost in the new ones.

Jeez!  If you don't want to read the book I just wrote on here, I totally understand! 

Keyeto

Book read, Silent! I agree, the characters just aren't the same. Even the little things matter so much to me. I'll use 7 as a reference. Just the fact that everybody seems to notice your eyes is awesome to me. As a member of SOLDIER (which Cloud actually was never a part of) the mako energy in you turns your eyes a different color. Some npcs find it entrancing, beautiful; some find it as a sign of high rank, some find it just strange. And in the back if my mind, I'm constantly reminded of why he has those eyes. Those "beautiful" eyes were forced on to him through experiments related to the Jenova Reunion Theory. It's a horrible combination of alien cells and scientific experiments, a constant scar of what happened to him. Nobody knows of this, and he doesn't tell anyone, just lets them think they're beautiful, powerful eyes. Things like that, you just don't get anymore :/

Langku

Nothing can touch 6. It was steam punk before steam punk was cool. And you got to sing in an opera.

rarehuntertay

Quote from: Langku on April 01, 2013, 01:58:52 AM
Nothing can touch 6. It was steam punk before steam punk was cool. And you got to sing in an opera.
And you get to play as a moogle!!!

Silent1236

Keyeto, I'm glad I'm not the only one who goes through and sees all the interesting little dialogue.  I miss having the ability to relate to a character. So much pointless violence with no rhyme or reason in modern video games. You were fighting for something in the old games. I've forgotten what the purpose of XIII was :P. Save the l'cie?  Too bad, you are one. Save Serah?  Congratulations! Now she has to save you.  Doesn't make much sense...

Mikefrompluto

#39
No

Edit: 😂😭😂😭 im dying.

Silent1236

#40
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on April 01, 2013, 12:02:52 PM
.yes.

Edit: 😂😭😂😭 im dying.

No what? haha


Mikefrompluto

Quote from: Silent1236 on April 01, 2013, 12:06:52 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on April 01, 2013, 12:02:52 PM
.yes.

Edit: 😂😭😂😭 im dying.

No what? haha
Piotr changed "no" to .yes. like the swear words but then changed it back :(

prayos

Quote from: Mikefrompluto on March 31, 2013, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
Currently replaying FFVII right now. My favorite game of all time. Heck, my favorite series, if you just ignore everything after X.....

I rage quit XIII. I got to a boss battle that was ridiculously hard. Tried about 15 times and just said "screw it, I'll play IX." I was already tired of it. Just needed an extra push.

How was it "ridiculously hard"? I didn't farm CP or anything, and yet when I got to it, I found it lackluster. The first Barthasomething fight was harder, imo.

Mikefrompluto

Quote from: prayos on April 01, 2013, 12:14:16 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on March 31, 2013, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
Currently replaying FFVII right now. My favorite game of all time. Heck, my favorite series, if you just ignore everything after X.....

I rage quit XIII. I got to a boss battle that was ridiculously hard. Tried about 15 times and just said "screw it, I'll play IX." I was already tired of it. Just needed an extra push.

How was it "ridiculously hard"? I didn't farm CP or anything, and yet when I got to it, I found it lackluster. The first Barthasomething fight was harder, imo.

It was the Cid Raines battle. Every. Single. Time. I staggered him, he morphed and it was hard to stay ahead after that.

Silent1236

Quote from: prayos on April 01, 2013, 12:14:16 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on March 31, 2013, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 31, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
Currently replaying FFVII right now. My favorite game of all time. Heck, my favorite series, if you just ignore everything after X.....

I rage quit XIII. I got to a boss battle that was ridiculously hard. Tried about 15 times and just said "screw it, I'll play IX." I was already tired of it. Just needed an extra push.

How was it "ridiculously hard"? I didn't farm CP or anything, and yet when I got to it, I found it lackluster. The first Barthasomething fight was harder, imo.

The airship towards the end of the game really got to me.  It was so frustrating.  What really made me mad was killing an Adamantoise to try and get the achievement, just to find out they change into long gui (spelling?) that you have to kill instead.