The Walking Dead finale (possible spoilers but not exactly)

[Mikefrompluto]

So yeah. That was a let down. Im done with this show. First season? Amazing. Second season? Days of Our Lives. Third season? Started off strong and turned into weak💩. Seriously, screw that show and its writers. I'll gladly stick to reading the comics over and over. /rant

[Barzini]

With all due respect Mike, our viewing party loved it.  What exactly was so displeasing for you?  It can't be an exact parallel to the comic; that would be predictable, and none of the scenes stood out to me as being too overtly dramatic for drama's sake.  Perhaps the lack of closing of loose ends was unfulfilling?

I personally have read compendium one and two twice, along with digital scans of the comic.  I find nothing objectinable with the dramatic representation of the show - the unpredictable elements, excellent acting and plot twists have kept me captivated.  Please let me know what bothered you the most.

[Mikefrompluto]

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My problem with the finale (and the show in general) lies in the fact that I don't care about the characters like I did in the comic. When Andrea died, I felt more relieved because of how annoying they made her in the show. In the comic, she's the female version of Rick. In the show, she's not even a fraction of that. I felt the same when Lori died. Relieved. Granted she is a bit annoying in the comic as well, but I stilled cared about her. Carl is super annoying in the show and after last night's episode, it seems like they're pushing him in more of a "cold blooded, ruthless killer" archetype. Daryl didnt have time to grieve over Merle. I get that the circumstances didnt allow much grieving time, but that whole situation felt rushed. I also feel like not killing the Governor and making him go crazy and kill his own people was such a cop out. I like season-expanding story arches, but this one felt rushed and felt like they didnt put time into. This could be said about he whole season. It started off strong and then about six episodes in, lost track of where they wanted to take it and tried to do too much.

I realize that analyzing the show with the comic in mind is pointless, as Robert Kirkman wants the show to be completely different from his vision of the comic. However, its hard not to do that when I've invested time into reading 100+ issues and growing a love and understanding for the characters, only to see them not accurately represented in the show.

[Ace]

I actually have to agree with mike. The episode just felt really rushed and like they spent to much time on some scenes when they didn't need to. I was compleatly in to the season up until about a month ago when they basically stoped the progress of the story and it felt like they just kept going around in circles and not doing anything.

[Frothandslosh]

(Spoilers, so watch out)
I look at the season finale as the beginning of a massive shift in the season's story, which was desperately needed.

PROS:
-Andrea's dead. I really don't have any remorse for her, considering she could have prevented it at least a half dozen times. Her "I didn't want anyone to die" excuse was just poor.

-The Governer is still alive. I don't know about anyone else, but I seriously love this character. He the perfect antagonist for Rick and the prison group, and really makes you want more.

-Old Lady Prison Party. Hershel is one happy guy.

CONS:
-Milton is dead. It's really sad to see him go, especially after getting so little backround information on him. What we do know is he knew the Governor before the apocalypse, and during the season finale we got some weird hints. The Governor says some lines like "It's time for you to graduate" and "Show me what you've learned".

-Carl is apparently evil. Seriously, if I see Carl back talk his dad one more time, I hope he gets smacked. His "renegade, bad boy" personality is so unrealistic and makes me feel terrible for Rick.

-Emotional Michonne. I still like to think of her as a battle-hardened statue, who never changes despite what may get in her way. But after her reaction to Andrea's death, that persona will be leaving us very soon.

-Hershel's daughter whose name no one remembers didn't die, so random singing will ensue.

-Since neither Glenn or Maggie died during the prison shootout, a wedding episode will be coming soon. Be prepared for some sitcom-esque wedding planning antics, and Neil Patrick Harris to make a guest appearance.

[Mikefrompluto]

Man I hated Milton. I want to slap Carl SO BAD.

Interesting tidbit. David Morrissey (the Governor) was in the running for the 11th Doctor before Matt Smith was cast. What's weird is the Doctor is the complete opposite of who the Governor is.

[Frothandslosh]

Man I hated Milton. I want to slap Carl SO BAD.

Interesting tidbit. David Morrissey (the Governor) was in the running for the 11th Doctor before Matt Smith was cast. What's weird is the Doctor is the complete opposite of who the Governor is.

How could you hate Milton? He was so awkward that if any walkers got near him, he'd make them feel uncomfortable and avoid him.

And as for David Morrissey as the Doctor, he may audition for the 12th after his prolonged-but-imminent death sometime during Walking Dead's ninth season. (My theory is that anytime he's expected to die, he'll just drive away)

[Mikefrompluto]

Man I hated Milton. I want to slap Carl SO BAD.

Interesting tidbit. David Morrissey (the Governor) was in the running for the 11th Doctor before Matt Smith was cast. What's weird is the Doctor is the complete opposite of who the Governor is.

How could you hate Milton? He was so awkward that if any walkers got near him, he'd make them feel uncomfortable and avoid him.

And as for David Morrissey as the Doctor, he may audition for the 12th after his prolonged-but-imminent death sometime during Walking Dead's ninth season. (My theory is that anytime he's expected to die, he'll just drive away)

Is this fact or speculation? That would be amazing. Moffett has said he's closer to his time of being head writer being over, so it would make sense for Matt Smith to leave as well.

[Frothandslosh]

Man I hated Milton. I want to slap Carl SO BAD.

Interesting tidbit. David Morrissey (the Governor) was in the running for the 11th Doctor before Matt Smith was cast. What's weird is the Doctor is the complete opposite of who the Governor is.

How could you hate Milton? He was so awkward that if any walkers got near him, he'd make them feel uncomfortable and avoid him.

And as for David Morrissey as the Doctor, he may audition for the 12th after his prolonged-but-imminent death sometime during Walking Dead's ninth season. (My theory is that anytime he's expected to die, he'll just drive away)

Is this fact or speculation? That would be amazing. Moffett has said he's closer to his time of being head writer being over, so it would make sense for Matt Smith to leave as well.

Oh, that's just total speculation. I just don't see why David Morrissey wouldn't try again a second time, if he were afforded the chance.

[Mikefrompluto]

Apparently Chris Hardwick let slip on Talking Dead last week that Morrissey will be in Doctor Who, which most likely means the 50th anniversary special. I can't find anything on it, as usual with Doctor Who.

http://doctorwhostuff.net/david-morrisey-as-12th-doctor-who/

[ChrisRodriguez]

Apparently Chris Hardwick let slip on Talking Dead last week that Morrissey will be in Doctor Who, which most likely means the 50th anniversary special. I can't find anything on it, as usual with Doctor Who.

http://doctorwhostuff.net/david-morrisey-as-12th-doctor-who/

No he said Morrissey was on the episode of doctor who called "the next doctor". He was the guy who thought he was the doctor after losing his memory when the cyber man attacked him. It was during David Tennet's run as the doctor.

[Mikefrompluto]

Apparently Chris Hardwick let slip on Talking Dead last week that Morrissey will be in Doctor Who, which most likely means the 50th anniversary special. I can't find anything on it, as usual with Doctor Who.

http://doctorwhostuff.net/david-morrisey-as-12th-doctor-who/

No he said Morrissey was on the episode of doctor who called "the next doctor". He was the guy who thought he was the doctor after losing his memory when the cyber man attacked him. It was during David Tennet's run as the doctor.

I know. Right after Donna's memory was wiped and right before Tennant's last episode. It was a great episode. But im with this article. The slip sounds more current rather than "hey I heard you were in an episode of Doctor Heard."

[Langku]

I can see why the fans of the comic AND the show get wrankled by the annoying nuances of the dramatized versions of these characters. I have been disgruntled with some of the whininess and soap operatic elements of the show too. But my impression of the books was that, while well composed, the characters felt like they were somewhat characaturized. There was an edgy inhumanness about them that made them seem a but more like cartoon warriors and less like scared humans trying to survive. Granted, scared folks do crazy stuff, but the silly foibles of the characters in the show make them come to life for me where the characters in the books lost me after a while.

And I've gotta agree with Mike, I needed more resolution for Daryl.

[Mikefrompluto]

Yeah, I suppose I can see that point of view. I just think there's a ton of stuff they could have worked on. It felt like they tried to do too much with showing the prison and Woodbury and didnt have a clear focus of what they were trying to accomplish. I would've liked more background on Milton because the vibe I got from him was "this guy is a shady rat, there's something off about him." Now we'll never know. I don't like how they humanized Michonne with Andrea's death. I felt like she was the only character they were doing justice. I know that the show is supposed to be different from the comic, but they're completely changing character archetypes. Which is silly.

[Mikefrompluto]

Another thing about this season I didnt like is the plot with Merle. It felt forced. I thought the Gov was grooming him to be the person to help the gang escape Woodbury the first time, only to run back and give the whereabouts of where the others were (played by Martinez in the comic.) It never showed the confrontation between Merle and the Gov, so how could anyone think any different if they were familiar with the comic? One minute Merle is beating up Glenn, the next hes thrown in the pit with Daryl and told to fight for his life. Given Merle's ruthless nature, coupled with the fact that he kidnapped people that he was once somewhat friendly with, that wouldve made complete sense to me.