Gates

Started by Imdowd80, March 26, 2013, 10:29:21 AM

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Dmreiss

Competitive is never gonna work for gates.  By the time you spend turns getting just a few out, your opponent will have done twenty points of damage.  You won't be able to focus on getting the gates and defend yourself long enough to be successful.

Umbra

Quote from: Moneekahh on March 26, 2013, 10:45:36 AM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on March 26, 2013, 10:43:39 AM
I'm going to make it happen now. I love making decks work

That's what I said about  {Biovisionary}. It only ended in sorrow. 😩

My friend won a couple games with quick mana, clone, phantasmal image etc. it seemed so harmless ;-;

MarduArrow

Quote from: Moneekahh on March 26, 2013, 10:36:52 AM
I agree it's far too slow. I think the mythic land is more for flavor than anything. I don't even see it being used in edh. It's pretty terrible.

I agree its terrible, I was actually convinced they wouldn't make that an actual card, if they actually expect people to use it they had better come out with some really good 5 colour cards

Imdowd80

Sensing some major hate on this. Use the gates, ramp into {primeevil Titan} and away you go. Add the  {Expedition Map}. Hmmm mind brewing.

Rass

Was thinking of a bio deck with some undying 2 mana cost stuff and  {Birthing Pod} and the images.

darkshanx

Quote from: Imdowd80 on March 26, 2013, 12:05:37 PM
Sensing some major hate on this. Use the gates, ramp into {primeevil Titan} and away you go. Add the  {Expedition Map}. Hmmm mind brewing.

That would be so fun to do. Just destroy your opponent. Then if you have {diabolic revelation} to search for {primeval Titan}. Great fun

Although there is probably a better searching card

Umbra

Quote from: Rass on March 26, 2013, 02:58:46 PM
Was thinking of a bio deck with some undying 2 mana cost stuff and  {Birthing Pod} and the images.

{Fabricate} or  {Tinker},  {Birthing Pod},  {Biovisionary},  {Aphetto Alchemist},  {Umbral Mantle}, {Biovisionary}, and  {Lotus Bloom}? Something like that?

AgrusKos

Quote from: Silent1236 on March 26, 2013, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: Richardalcala on March 26, 2013, 10:34:01 AM
No it is to slow. Maybe at the kitchen table.

I still play basics over gates for kitchen table games haha.

I really don't see gates making any appearance in standard. Just too slow.
I use gate...

Moneekahh

Quote from: Umbra on March 26, 2013, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 26, 2013, 02:58:46 PM
Was thinking of a bio deck with some undying 2 mana cost stuff and  {Birthing Pod} and the images.

{Fabricate} or  {Tinker},  {Birthing Pod},  {Biovisionary},  {Aphetto Alchemist},  {Umbral Mantle}, {Biovisionary}, and  {Lotus Bloom}? Something like that?

The problem with  {Biovisionary} is that he becomes a big target once he's in play and there isn't much you can do to protect him, let alone four of him.

Umbra

Quote from: Moneekahh on March 26, 2013, 03:37:11 PM
Quote from: Umbra on March 26, 2013, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 26, 2013, 02:58:46 PM
Was thinking of a bio deck with some undying 2 mana cost stuff and  {Birthing Pod} and the images.

{Fabricate} or  {Tinker},  {Birthing Pod},  {Biovisionary},  {Aphetto Alchemist},  {Umbral Mantle}, {Biovisionary}, and  {Lotus Bloom}? Something like that?

The problem with  {Biovisionary} is that he becomes a big target once he's in play and there isn't much you can do to protect him, let alone four of him.

Okay what about  {Enlightened Tutor}  {Lotus Bloom}, 3 turns {silence} {Lotus Petal}  {Parallel Lives}  {Biovisionary}  {Cackling Counterpart} and  {Rite of Replication}

Gorzo

I'm sure gates will see some casual play, maybe even EDH play. But competitive play? Like everyone's already said, it's probably too slow.

You never know though - never would have guessed that {Door to Nothingness} would see competitive play, but the omnidoor deck was pretty competitive for a while, and even took 1st in at least 1 tournament that I know of.

MuggyWuggy

Currently in standard they have a few cards that mix with them, but I'm sure DM will have more gate related cards to make them used in standard. Also gates will change strategies in limited formats, a dual land is better than no dual land, even if there is a penalty.

Also in modern, throw down an  {Amulet of Vigor} and bam, not even shock lands, just OG dual lands.

In regards to{ biovisionary} it's too soon for the OP to considered, it will be apart of the standard lineup for a while and we have yet to see what comes around

{rite of replication} the kicker is an instant win combo that can happen with the right mix of cards

Soon I shall have all the biovisionaries and they will shoot up in amazing value meahahahahhaaaaaaaa!


InfinitiveDivinity

Guildgates are completely viable in Standard. Maybe not as 4-ofs, but a couple wont hurt anything. They really aren't half bad, turn 1 it's a Shockland, after that it can be a minor annoyance but in all honesty most of the time you're going to want to play Shocklands tapped anyways, unless your playing Aggro.

Wally

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 26, 2013, 06:45:57 PM
Guildgates are completely viable in Standard. Maybe not as 4-ofs, but a couple wont hurt anything. They really aren't half bad, turn 1 it's a Shockland, after that it can be a minor annoyance but in all honesty most of the time you're going to want to play Shocklands tapped anyways, unless your playing Aggro.

I totally agree. The other reason why shock lands are currently better is because of the tap lands see them as a normal land type so they can work together turn 1 and 2/whenever.
If those tap lands rotate out, that extra functionality is lost making the gates a possible replacement option.

All-Mana Mania

I think the mythic land is great!! You DONT need it in a all colored deck. What i would do is put it in my triple colored deck (whatever it would be). I would use it then to adjust my mana. Lets say grixis. I have swamps and mountains and the rest of my hand requires islands. So i return it and get a dimir guildgate and then next turn an izzet guild gate. Yes, it will require you to run a lottle guildgates but it is worth it!