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[Nissassagame]

I had this resolved as per advice from dude core and nyghthawk. However, it appears that a proven liar, a person not true to his word, Infinitive, buried beneath a stack of his own deception and shame, is attempting a role reversal. Unlike Infinitive, I held true to word and sent my cards. When he ripped me off, I did as he suggested and got my cards back. I owe him nothing but what I told him in a PM, which was to say "please don't contact me again". I apologize for having to come back to this thread when I was doing what I was asked to do, solve with PM's.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

I had this resolved as per advice from dude core and nyghthawk. However, it appears that a proven liar, a person not true to his word, Infinitive, buried beneath a stack of his own deception and shame, is attempting a role reversal. Unlike Infinitive, I held true to word and sent my cards. When he ripped me off, I did as he suggested and got my cards back. I owe him nothing but what I told him in a PM, which was to say "please don't contact me again". I apologize for having to come back to this thread when I was doing what I was asked to do, solve with PM's.

I just want people to see both sides of the story. Give me the tracking number and I'll drop it. I just want to know if you even sent your end. Whatever dude, mods please delete this stupid thread.

[Nissassagame]

How is there two sides? You ADMITTED to lying and reneging. Acting in a doochery fashion, bringing this back to the forum, and just being a classless shamed fool. Send the deal ASAP and you won't be classed as ericlay was.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

How is there two sides? You ADMITTED to lying and reneging. Acting in a doochery fashion, bringing this back to the forum, and just being a classless shamed fool. Send the deal ASAP and you won't be classed as ericlay was.

Don't ever compare me to him, I already told you to keep your lands, I don't feel like waiting a month. I just think that if you indeed did not send your end either than all of this was completely pointless to explode over

[Nissassagame]

As a matter of fact, because Infinitive admitted to breaking forum law by LYING I ask for punishment.

[Drewy]

Guys can we please just stop arguing?

[Piotr]

As a matter of fact, because Infinitive admitted to breaking forum law by LYING I ask for punishment.

What do you propose as punishment?

[InfinitiveDivinity]

As a matter of fact, because Infinitive admitted to breaking forum law by LYING I ask for punishment.

What do you propose as punishment?

I propose that he fork over the  tracking number to prove that he's not lying about even sending his end himself, according to the Canadian Post Office, once an item has reached customs, neither side can do anything to retrieve it.

[Piotr]

As a matter of fact, because Infinitive admitted to breaking forum law by LYING I ask for punishment.

What do you propose as punishment?

I propose that he fork over the  tracking number to prove that he's not lying about even sending his end himself, according to the Canadian Post Office, once an item has reached customs, neither side can do anything to retrieve it.

That is a different matter, you lied about sending and you didn't keep the agreement. Your motives are irrelevant.

[Drewy]

I propose a possible burn at the stake? :0

[NyghtHawk]

I try to keep a level head about things and I obviously was one who dealt with the Ericlay situation. This isnt the same. Infinitive wasnt trying to disappear or steal cards, he just made a poor decision(s) in my opinion.

[Piotr]

Infinitive wasnt trying to disappear or steal cards, he just made a poor decision(s) in my opinion.

Did he break the law?

[Moneekahh]

Infinitive wasnt trying to disappear or steal cards, he just made a poor decision(s) in my opinion.

Did he break the law?

According to one person, he did. I understand the actions that were taken against ericlay because there was no denying that he was trying to rip people off and blatantly lying to them. But this is completely different. While what infinitive did was arguably douchey, I don't know if I would motion to subject him to punishment. It seems extreme. I've had interactions with infinitive, although we haven't ever actually traded yet, and he seems like a good guy. Just throwing in my two cents, feel free to throw them right back at me. 😁

[Langku]

I think Infinitive broke a deal and that is breaking the law (do not lie). What Nissa did or didn't do afterwards doesn't change the fact that infinitive reneged on an agreement. I have a lot of respect for Infinitive as a long time member but this reflects poorly on him. If someone says they'll do something they should follow through regardless of whether or not it profits them. Suggesting an alternate deal after making an agreement was in poor form. I can recognize that both Infinitive and Nissa are frustrated but Infinitive broke the deal.

I suggest a banned list for traders who break a deal. Or a battle in Thunderdome. 2 men enter, 1 man leaves. Either option seems reasonable.

I'd give Infinitive the benefit of the doubt since there is no precedence for this (that I'm aware of...).

[NyghtHawk]

Infinitive wasnt trying to disappear or steal cards, he just made a poor decision(s) in my opinion.

Did he break the law?

He didn't send the cards the day he told nissa he was going to and he tried to renegotiate the deal. That was in poor taste imo. When it was brought to light here, he said he would make it right. If he does so, I don't see it necessary to crucify him. Was it right? No. Like I said, poor decisions. He wasn't going anywhere though and if he makes it right I would think lesson learned and the community will understand that you don't try to renegotiate a deal after its been finalized and addresses exchanged.

That should be part of the trade law and clear.