Trades

[Empathie]

Inconvenient is the word here

[InfinitiveDivinity]

Wow you agreed on a trade and exchanged addresses and then scrapped it?

Poor form. There was a couple of times that my IRL trade binder didn't match the iMTG binder when I went to get it out, those times I contacted the party I was trading with and have them two options
1) I would go to the store and purchase the cards to make the original trade
2) was there anything else they wanted In lieu.

Once you've agreed and exchanged addresses, that's it. Done deal.
I don't know how you can justify 'changing your mind' after the fact, without amicable dismissal (also something that happened with me on here once) - a deal is a deal.

You should send him his   {Thrun, the Last Troll} that he traded for.

I think he's pretty done with it, he said to scrap the deal after I asked for a reconsideration of a possible placeholder or Thrun or whether he'd simply just want the Foundries sent back

Thrun was not flying Solo, he was part of a bulk trade that added up to about $24, he was a $4-5 card at the time. I don't see how asking for another $4 placeholder is much trouble.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

Well, if it was amicable then it's not bad. I was under the impression that you were holding his  {Thrun, the Last Troll} ransom.

If you asked him to scrap the trade and he said ok that's fine, then it's ok, and definitely something I don't see as a moral issue.

If you said "hey lets scrap the trade?" And he said no, then you gotta go through with it.

I am still willing to finish the trade with another placeholder, but I know he wants his Foundries back. I just hate how people are misinterpreting this. I asked for reconsideration of our trades or whether he would just like the Foundries back and he said "Scrap the deal", so I am.

[NyghtHawk]

Well, if it was amicable then it's not bad. I was under the impression that you were holding his  {Thrun, the Last Troll} ransom.

If you asked him to scrap the trade and he said ok that's fine, then it's ok, and definitely something I don't see as a moral issue.

If you said "hey lets scrap the trade?" And he said no, then you gotta go through with it.

I am still willing to finish the trade with another placeholder, but I know he wants his Foundries back. I just hate how people are misinterpreting this. I asked for reconsideration of our trades or whether he would just like the Foundries back and he said "Scrap the deal", so I am.

I am not Nissa so I cant answer for him, but if you only gave him the option of reconsidering or you sending back his cards, thats wrong. He should have the option to say no and you still send the card. You made the deal and it should be fulfilled. If you gave him all THREE options and he said scrap it, thats fine. If you didnt, not cool. Thats the point thats trying to be made here.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

Well, if it was amicable then it's not bad. I was under the impression that you were holding his  {Thrun, the Last Troll} ransom.

If you asked him to scrap the trade and he said ok that's fine, then it's ok, and definitely something I don't see as a moral issue.

If you said "hey lets scrap the trade?" And he said no, then you gotta go through with it.

I am still willing to finish the trade with another placeholder, but I know he wants his Foundries back. I just hate how people are misinterpreting this. I asked for reconsideration of our trades or whether he would just like the Foundries back and he said "Scrap the deal", so I am.

I am not Nissa so I cant answer for him, but if you only gave him the option of reconsidering or you sending back his cards, thats wrong. He should have the option to say no and you still send the card. You made the deal and it should be fulfilled. If you gave him all THREE options and he said scrap it, thats fine. If you didnt, not cool. Thats the point thats trying to be made here.

First you said if I had sent the Thrun already it's too late to back out, okay, I did not. And now your saying it's still wrong? The Thrun alone now is worth a Foundry. I had stuff in that trade that I would normally never trade away but I needed the Foundries for my girlfriends Boros Humans, even still, I would rather not give away cards. If it'll make everyone happy I'll give him the damn Thrun AS WELL as the Foundries. I'm sick of this topic. I don't see why everyone is gettin so upset over it. By him getting his Foundries back, which was again, HIS choice, he loses a stamp and an envelope. And 4 weeks without 2 Foundries, that's saying they arrive soon, his cards take some time to arrive, which I'm not faulting him at all, the postal datestamp on his envelopes show that he had indeed sent out on time, they simply took some time to arrive. Yes, inconvenient, but I'm not a con artist or a scammer, I just hate losing card value. At this point it's like I'm trading for someone's cards out of a Pack to Power Nine Binder.

[Rass]

Point of this thread is to see what people think on trades not to single anyone out. I was hopefully trying to have a civil discussion to see what ideas people have. This will be an issue and if we can nip it at the bud. If a good decision could be made and added to the trade section to prevent hard feelings in the future on either side

[NyghtHawk]

I didnt say if you sent the Thrun out. Thats irrelevant as you already agreed to the terms and he sent his end.

I was never intentionally trying to blow this topic up the way it has or piss anybody off and I'm a bit sorry for that, but I do stand my ground on the fact that if anyone in any trade agrees to it and they exchange addresses to send the cards, the deal is done and you cant change it unless the other trader says its cool. I cant make you send him the deal, I cant force you to do anything and I dont want to come off as a jerk as we've never had a problem before, but for anyone trading it should be known that if you agree on a deal you cant just back out of it without certain ramifications, whether that be people ticked off at you or negative stigma with the community.

This is Magic. Card prices fluctuate all over the place. People buy cards with their hard earned money and then the prices drop and they lose money value wise. It happens. It can happen in your favor too. Such is life.

We all like Magic here, we all should get along and be civil. I am of the opinion with the majority of people, that once you agree on a trade and say your sending it, you should. Thats the right thing to do. If you dont want to, nobody can make you, but you cant deny that people will be less willing to deal with traders that do that.

[Nissassagame]

This stirred some thought. First of all, I really have no problem with Infinitive. We had a successful trade, a small one, it took some time and was completed. I certainly would NEVER consider him to be anything other than a decent guy. The issue I do have is a most recent trade with him where terms were changed when my cards were en route. Here is what happened:

On February 15 we agreed to the following terms and exchanged addresses, both agreeing to send right away. The deal included a Thrun, The Last Troll.

First of all, at 7:38:37 PM of the same day I quote him as follows: "I'll be sending first thing Monday. I'm gonna be sending in a bubble mailer because its about 20 cards"

On February 23 he admitted to not sending the cards out, stating "I'll send my end out as soon as they arrive and not a moment later"

To say that I was irate was an understatement. I'd been checking the mail every day. We agreed to send and he even verified how and when they would be going out. I was treated to a "send first" deal, with terms being something quite different.

Now as far as Thrun is concerned, we had a deal. A gentleman's agreement. On 07:09:22 of Feb 25 he advised me that Thrun's price had increased. Nothing more. Nothing less. On Feb 27 04:59:40 he reminded me again that Thrun had gone up. I was excited and happy to have dealt for the card. Now I was waiting to get it and as you can imagine, a little giddy.

On the same dat at 05:25:04 I was given the options to reconsider or he would return my Foundries!

I naturally stated "scrap the deal" as I was simply disgusted and I know everyone can understand why.

That is all.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

I asked for a send after simply because I had yet to receive the first trade at all, and it seemed as if there were quite a few members on here that were still waiting on cards from you, and it was taking quite a lot longer than it should have. As I also stated to you, I did not want to get ripped off again and from the looks of it it was happening to more than just me, I was insuring myself. Upon recieving your first trade I reassured a few members on here that you were indeed a trustworthy guy and then the Thrun jump happened. It was a mix of insecurity and awareness on my part, like I said, I don't like losing card value if I can help it. If it's any difference, and also to not tarnish my reputation, I am willing to complete the original trade. I have not received the foundries, but I'll send out your end, because I do still need the lands. That is if you are still willing to do so.

[Nissassagame]

And now that I've read comments a little further, I want to clarify again.

The cards I sent were Foundries. Highly sought after cards with almost triple the value he mentioned in this thread. Thrun was part of a bulk deal. He lied about sending me the cards and I was NOT given the option to keep the deal as is. It was a" take it or leave it" term given to me. As a matter of fact, I'm so disgusted, keep the Foundries as a gift Infinitive. It's one thing to have poor class and not be a man of your word and it's another to flat out lie. If anyone doubts the truth of what I'm saying, I'll gladly quote everything that was said to me. Maybe the Mods can read my inbox?

[InfinitiveDivinity]

And now that I've read comments a little further, I want to clarify again.

The cards I sent were Foundries. Highly sought after cards with almost triple the value he mentioned in this thread. Thrun was part of a bulk deal. He lied about sending me the cards and I was NOT given the option to keep the deal as is. It was a" take it or leave it" term given to me. As a matter of fact, I'm so disgusted, keep the Foundries as a gift Infinitive. It's one thing to have poor class and not be a man of your word and it's another to flat out lie. If anyone doubts the truth of what I'm saying, I'll gladly quote everything that was said to me. Maybe the Mods can read my inbox?

I never said I sent you the cards, and I never said that I gave you the option to keep the deal as it was. I asked if you would reconsider our trade, or if you would like for me to send back the lands. I think your misreading the comments

[Mikefrompluto]

The plot thickens!

In Nissas defense, he did keep your name annonymous, and from what I could tell, had no intentions of putting you on blast in the first place. You came forward and admitted to being the one his original post was about.

[Nissassagame]

I asked for a send after simply because I had yet to receive the first trade at all, and it seemed as if there were quite a few members on here that were still waiting on cards from you, and it was taking quite a lot longer than it should have. As I also stated to you, I did not want to get ripped off again and from the looks of it it was happening to more than just me, I was insuring myself. Upon recieving your first trade I reassured a few members on here that you were indeed a trustworthy guy and then the Thrun jump happened. It was a mix of insecurity and awareness on my part, like I said, I don't like losing card value if I can help it. If it's any difference, and also to not tarnish my reputation, I am willing to complete the original trade. I have not received the foundries, but I'll send out your end, because I do still need the lands. That is if you are still willing to do so.

The saddest part of all of this, is that members are putting their faith in getting reassurance from someone who lies and backtracks on deals! AMAZING! Sure, send the cards out. I could really care less. It is after all, what you said you were going to do WEEKS AGO!

[Nissassagame]

And now that I've read comments a little further, I want to clarify again.

The cards I sent were Foundries. Highly sought after cards with almost triple the value he mentioned in this thread. Thrun was part of a bulk deal. He lied about sending me the cards and I was NOT given the option to keep the deal as is. It was a" take it or leave it" term given to me. As a matter of fact, I'm so disgusted, keep the Foundries as a gift Infinitive. It's one thing to have poor class and not be a man of your word and it's another to flat out lie. If anyone doubts the truth of what I'm saying, I'll gladly quote everything that was said to me. Maybe the Mods can read my inbox?

I never said I sent you the cards, and I never said that I gave you the option to keep the deal as it was. I asked if you would reconsider our trade, or if you would like for me to send back the lands. I think your misreading the comments

Dude, I quoted you word for word! Please mods check my inbox! OMG. This is fantastic!

[NyghtHawk]

Nissa, is this necessary now? I was pointing out how trades should be done. All this personal stuff should be done in pms. He also said he'd complete the trade, no need to come off like that. Lets be civil......at tee very least.