Trades

[Rass]

Ok just want to get people's opinion. When is your trade considered complete. Is it when you agree on terms? When you receive your cards? When you put them in the mail?

[Empathie]

When both sides have recieved the cards.

[NyghtHawk]

You already know my opinion, but for here:

When you agree on terms that should be it. When its in the mail its absolutely final. Some will say when its in the mail its complete, but once you agree on terms on both ends most people dont respond back until they let you know its in the mail. Most times you arent going to catch the person if you change your mind before they have already mailed it.

I can see in the mail, but once terms are settled for me that should be it.

EDIT: For others to understand. The trade isnt technically "complete" until both people receive their cards. Some people send first and regardless you are keeping in contact to let them know the status and so forth.

BUT, for purposes of making changes to the trade, my initial post stands. Once you agree and say your mailing it, that should be it on that end.

[Moneekahh]

For me, once addresses have been exchanged and both parties agree to the trade.

^^ that's when the deal is finalized. Trade isn't complete until both ends receive. (Obviously)

[Hays413]

In my opinion the trade is complete when both parties receive their cards.
That being said though, once addresses are exchanged, I deem that to be a final agreement.
Of course until mailing, if both parties are in contact I'm agree terms could be changed. But once one side is in the mail, the deal is done.
Brings to mind that thread about somebody changing the deal because of Thrun price increase even though one party had sent cards already. At that point, deal is made.

[Dudecore]

http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=2605.0

"A Trade is considered complete when both parties have received the agreed upon goods."

[Hays413]

http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=2605.0

"A Trade is considered complete when both parties have received the agreed upon goods."

Nuff said...
To add IMO, the "agreed upon goods" are final when addresses are exchanged.
Of course it could be changed later but that's something to be discussed by both parties.

[NyghtHawk]

In my opinion the trade is complete when both parties receive their cards.
That being said though, once addresses are exchanged, I deem that to be a final agreement.
Of course until mailing, if both parties are in contact I'm agree terms could be changed. But once one side is in the mail, the deal is done.
Brings to mind that thread about somebody changing the deal because of Thrun price increase even though one party had sent cards already. At that point, deal is made.

Exactly this. Both parties have to receive their trades, but you cant change the deal after the agreement is done and cards are mailed.

[Birdbrain]

http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=2605.0

"A Trade is considered complete when both parties have received the agreed upon goods."

this

[Mikefrompluto]

Oof. Negging on an agreement (even if its before either side has sent) is bad tact. I've lost out on trade values because I finalized a trade agreement and a day or two later, BAM! Spike in value. Did I choose to be a Richard about it and pull out? No. That's just the nature of the beast. I probably wouldn't want to trade again with someone who does that. Shinfo.

[Dudecore]

Changing terms of an agreement is in poor taste. It's violating iMtG as well, agreements must be kept. If you wish to push the issue.

No one can force anyone else to send the cards out, you just simply don't have to trade with that person anymore. As long as you got your cards back then no harm done.

Not trading cards because of a price spike is just stupid. Prices fluctuate all of the time. I've traded for a {Thrun, the Last Troll} months before the price spike, but neither me nor the trader have control over it.

TL;DR - it's in poor taste. Just don't trade with them anymore.

[Silent1236]

I don't really understand all this.  You agree upon a trade and send out, and you don't own those cards anymore.  I'm not gonna go message someone and say "hey, I decided I'm going to build a new deck, so send my {Falkenrath Aristocrat} back." That's kinda the same with price.  If I bought a thrun off of scg, and then the price shot up the next day, I'm not going to get an email from scg asking for it back.  This all seems a little childish honestly.  You agreed upon a trade, you sent it out, just leave it at that. If the price shoots up, your SOL. Don't cry about losing the value. 

Tl;dr - Don't be a douche!  It makes you look childish and it's an easy way to lose friends ;)

And why do we need two threads on this topic?

[Rass]

I hijacked the original topic that's why I started this one.

If comparing it to stc games or other dealers they have a page on this where the say all prices are subject to change without notice. Where they can change the price and notify you if you want to pay the extra cost or cancel your order. 

I also wanted to see what people think on this topic.  Trading in person bam deals done. But now having to wait and seeing the market change does have an effect on the time it takes to change hands of cards. This is where I can see hard feelings on both sides.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

I don't really understand all this.  You agree upon a trade and send out, and you don't own those cards anymore.  I'm not gonna go message someone and say "hey, I decided I'm going to build a new deck, so send my {Falkenrath Aristocrat} back." That's kinda the same with price.  If I bought a thrun off of scg, and then the price shot up the next day, I'm not going to get an email from scg asking for it back.  This all seems a little childish honestly.  You agreed upon a trade, you sent it out, just leave it at that. If the price shoots up, your SOL. Don't cry about losing the value. 

Tl;dr - Don't be a douche!  It makes you look childish and it's an easy way to lose friends ;)

And why do we need two threads on this topic?

Your missing a key component, he did not have my Thrun in hand, that trade had not yet been completed. My cards hadn't even been sent yet. I opted for a reconsideration or if he would simply like me to send back his cards that he was sending me.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

It is what it is, the Trade has been scrapped and he's recieving his cards back.