Crows could be white

[Birdbrain]

In fact. Elderly and weakened hawks eat carrion because they can't hunt so let's put them in black as well

Just because an animal eats carrion doesn't mean it should be put in black

I'm sorry. I take back the esper compromise

On a side note. Vultures are black because carrion is there main food source. And for the most part they are solitary creatures

Oh and {unruly mob}

[Birdbrain]

I think I just realized why most people don't like to debate things...I'm not meaning to downgrade you. Your opinions and thoughts are just as valid as mine are. And for the record, I do consider them

[Birdbrain]

I just thought of a place for another creature. One that belongs in black:

A hideous abberation, defying sense in form and function, so much that is has driven the most brilliant and promising minds to near-madness.

It lies in wait like a recluse, secluded in murky depths, waiting for its foul spawn to plague the earth and spread confusion.

Packing hidden venom, it will lash out and cripple naive travelers who pass by its lair, leaving them lying in agony.

I speak, of course, of the platypus.

😉

from what you described I agree with you. Never would have guessed that though

Edit: I looked up information on the platypus, and couldn't find anything that suggests its in any color, so I agree with you

[Rackhamm]

Crows are a very social animal. Also, whenever there is a predator around; they all start ka'ing in unison and swarming the predator. This fits whites defensiveness. And mechanically look like "destroy target attacking creature" which is a very white thing. This also shows whites organization and relying on the group. They can even plan. There are other examples, but I don't want to overwhelm everyone.

You are far from overwhelming anyone. I would argue that social behavior is not enough to classify something as white. Not only that, but no matter the actual behavior of any given animal, they are going into a color based on the tropes fron literature and other media.

Crows are seen as calculating, intelligent, carrion eating and sometimes evil.

Hawks are seen as beautiful but deadly predators.

Angels are seen as the right arm of justice and protecting the weak.

Anyone could probably dredge up some kind of argument for why any creature type could be any color.

In any case, whether bees should be red, bears black, zombies white, or platypuses green is not that big of a deal. Most people seem to accept where wizards put certain things based on tropes and flavor. usually there are one or two colors that best represent the idea that most people have of any given creature type and that is wizards' goal.

[Birdbrain]

Good argument. And I suppose it is up to wizards. And they will go with how people see them. They also do push the color pie. And MaRo said that each stretch in the time spiral block was well thought out.

And social behavior isn't unique to white. Blue for instance, could be seen as seeking out the ideas of others to add to there own.

Though the one color crows arnt is black. Because black is about self indulgence. And what people try do draw close they draw close to manipulate. So I'll find middle ground with everyone in just saying that crows are NOT black

Although while on the subject of zombies. Why are they blue? The only thing I can think of is there hunger for brains and that going along with blues mill

[MementoMori]

Although while on the subject of zombies. Why are they blue? The only thing I can think of is there hunger for brains and that going along with blues mill

According to MaRo, black is for the "natural" zombies, and blue is for the "manufactured" undead created by science, e.g. Frankenstein's monster.

[Birdbrain]

Although while on the subject of zombies. Why are they blue? The only thing I can think of is there hunger for brains and that going along with blues mill

According to MaRo, black is for the "natural" zombies, and blue is for the "manufactured" undead created by science, e.g. Frankenstein's monster.

makes sense. Also, I'm not challenging the color wheel. I'm only challenging the placement of the creatures in the color wheel

[Rass]

The meaning behind my first post is you are taking parts of magic and mixing personal ideas to spin it the way you see fit.

[Mikefrompluto]

The meaning behind my first post is you are taking parts of magic and mixing personal ideas to spin it the way you see fit.

That's kinda how im seeing it too hahah.

[Birdbrain]

The meaning behind my first post is you are taking parts of magic and mixing personal ideas to spin it the way you see fit.

no. I was just taking facts about crows and drawing logical conclusions from them. Scroll down on the evidence I posted. Past the first part to where its divided into labeled sections

Edit: thinking about that. I must have done that with green and the angel post. I'll look into that. Though I'm certain I'm not doing that here. I double checked white first

[Birdbrain]

Please tell me where I am doing this so I can fix my understanding of the color pie. I took a third look at my green thread and am just not sure anymore. Where is the hole in my understanding of the color pie?

I might be doing this. Am I? I don't think so. But want to know if I am? I might have done that in my green thread. Please tell me if I am

[Dudecore]

Please tell me where I am doing this so I can fix my understanding of the color pie. I took a third look at my green thread and am just not sure anymore. Where is the hole in my understanding of the color pie?

I might be doing this. Am I? I don't think so. But want to know if I am? I might have done that in my green thread. Please tell me if I am

You're selecting a minor aspect of something and saying the whole thing should shift. Crows are social, ok? So why should they all be shifted out of blue which has more in common with the crow.

Everything theoretically could be any single color, but they aren't because not everything makes sense for it. Looking into the minutia of everything makes no sense. Wizards has largely been good about moving creature to the right colors.

The Angels argument made no sense, and this one makes even less points.

[Vyse]

Colors so easily bleed into each other. The way I'm understanding your thought process is you latch onto one ideal a creature may have and instantly decide "oh this creature could definatly be (insert color)" I'm having a hard time arguing with you when you disregard reasons for creatures being what they are. Magic is a FANTASY game, and it does use hard facts for creatures, but more often it does go by how creatures are perceived. Lions for instance have always be seen as a symbol for noblity, and will always bring up images of honorable warriors and strong pack bonds. Wizards uses that to make them white. However in reality they scream primal rage, always on the hunt, have been known to eat their young, and very selfish when it comes to a kill, sharing only until the highest member had its fill. That could place them in red or black to me.
  As people have said, any creature can be made into any color, based on any little fact about them. Crows are blue because of the air of mystery about them, they are flyers, not nearly as noble as griffins (or strong enough as griffins), intelligent, in fantasy often a familiar for wizards. Almost always you need to look at how a creature is perceived, not how some might exhibit certain traits that may match another color.
   

[InfinitiveDivinity]

I don't see the point in these threads at all.

[Birdbrain]

Dudecore. I never said crows should be shifted from blue. In fact. Here is an earlier post from this very thread proving that

I never said crows arnt blue. And very strongly agree with you that they are. They are actually the most intelligent bird.

Also. I argued multipule points and provided evidence for that.
Also. I agreed with someone a while back

Good argument. And I suppose it is up to wizards. And they will go with how people see them. They also do push the color pie. And MaRo said that each stretch in the time spiral block was well thought out.

And social behavior isn't unique to white. Blue for instance, could be seen as seeking out the ideas of others to add to there own.

Though the one color crows arnt is black. Because black is about self indulgence. And what people try do draw close they draw close to manipulate. So I'll find middle ground with everyone in just saying that crows are NOT black

Although while on the subject of zombies. Why are they blue? The only thing I can think of is there hunger for brains and that going along with blues mill

So we're just beating a dead horse