Win conditions and fairness

[xStrayKnightx]

I played against it once and drew nothing to try and kill it. After I lost, I drew to see what my next card would be...it was my  {Balefire Dragon}. -.-

[Wackaman9001]

That awkward moment when your opponent {slaughter games} your {battle of wits}...

[xStrayKnightx]

A lot of people have called my RWB Angel/Demon/Dragon Deck broken, on the basis that I have cards like Aurelia, Avacyn, Gisela, Iona, Linvala etc in there. It's Commander legal (Kaalia is Commander), and I constantly tell them; it's not broken if its legal in a lot of formats. The amount of times I've hit people with Iona and they've almost instantly conceded is immense.

But those cards aren't win cards. They're boost or dibilitation cards. Like I said before, the only "win game" card I have in my deck is Hellkite Tyrant, and that's cause he's a 6/5 dragon with flying. I'd be happy if he didn't have the win condition; replace it with haste or trample, and I'd be giddy.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

I kinda want to build an Elocutor Fog deck, could be fun.

[Kaleo42]

If youre winning with these cards one of two things is happening.

One: you tried very hard, built very well, and played very well to make it happen. If so congrats.

Two: you opponents dont know what their doing, dont play removal or answers of any kind, or dont read cards. If so find better opponents.

[izik99]

The card I'm talking about is that Azorious card that gives you the game in five turns.

{Azor's Elocutors}. One day ill get around to building a deck based around that card.

I had one but I took it apart. I thought it was awesome that it was only ten bucks for the whole deck (guildgates) and now I know how bad that is against people with waaay more money.

[Birdbrain]

The card I'm talking about is that Azorious card that gives you the game in five turns.

{Azor's Elocutors}. One day ill get around to building a deck based around that card.

I had one but I took it apart. I thought it was awesome that it was only ten bucks for the whole deck (guildgates) and now I know how bad that is against people with waaay more money.

so. I made a good choice trading mine away? Maybe it's not so much a build around card as a support/divert attention card

[MisterJH]

To the person saying iona isnt cheap.. Iona is cheap, <uncalled for> It is one of MAYBE 5 cards i do not agree with, i dont just hate on good cards. Decks should not be forced into multicolor..

Keep it civil please. -G

[Leviathan]

The only card that enrages me on this topic is  {Platinum Angel}. Sure it can be removed but it alters the game to drastically and yet remains non-definitive provided you have answer. It takes the fun away from that particular match and I play strictly for the fun.

[xStrayKnightx]

No, decks shouldn't be forced into multicolour. However, you can't deny that you get more flexibility in a multicoloured deck.

[MisterJH]

I did not deny that strayknight, that is 100% off topic however. My point is that you should not HAVE to if you choose not to. If you want kono black, your loss. However i believe it extraordinarily unnecessary to have a card that absolutely requires you to have more than one color. Iona is the epitomy of game ruining. Sure, id love to have one but i would never in my life play it for any purpose but to aggrivate one of my close friends.

[NyghtHawk]

If you play EDH casually, Iona can be a jerk move. If you play with people who tend to be on the competitive side, I honestly dont care.

[NyghtHawk]

That's what I mean, I don't feel like with WOTC current marketing model, cards like  {Iona, Shield of Emeria} are what they like to see people playing

If they didnt like it they would ban it. Playing casually people should go in with an understanding of whats a jerk move and whats not. WOTC doesnt ban it because people do play competitively and they obviously find it ok in that regard.

[Langku]

I like Iona. Playing against her you just need to be watchful of anything that brings in creatures early ({elvish piper}, {quicksilver amulet}, etc) or have a counterspell ready. Coming prepared for whatever might be in an opponent's deck is part of the fun of the game. Don't get me wrong, I scooped last time she came out but that was because my silly mono white casual deck had no prayer against her. 😔Now I know to be on the lookout.

[MuggyWuggy]

So I bought a two player booster thing and pulled a  {Battle of Wits}

Have any of you ever played this silly card? I always thought a 100 card deck was already excessive, but 200??? And did Wizards just decide to troll a newbie pack by giving a rare like that??