Angels could be green

Started by Birdbrain, February 13, 2013, 09:58:01 PM

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Birdbrain

#30
Quote from: Majriti on February 14, 2013, 02:15:00 PM
U could say everything is green then, since its a demons nature to take ur soul or a lightning bolts nature to smoke u to the face. U use the word in a very vague context.
demons are not green because they are only out for there own self interest, which is black. They are selfish, and sadistic. Which is black, and why green hates them.

By the way, at the end of this article is proof that white is not all good, and black is not all bad. From head designer Mark Rosewater himself

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mr221

Edit: in fact, arguing that white is good and black is evil is arguing that there is a god, and a devil in the magic multiverse

Birdbrain

Also. Some people on here proved my theory of non-believers being just as closed minded, bigoted, rude, and bias as they claim believers to be correct. I think now I'm leaning more towards Christianity than Atheism. Thank you for the nudge everyone 

MarduArrow

Quote from: Birdbrain on February 14, 2013, 02:22:09 PM
Quote from: Majriti on February 14, 2013, 02:15:00 PM
U could say everything is green then, since its a demons nature to take ur soul or a lightning bolts nature to smoke u to the face. U use the word in a very vague context.
demons are not green because they are only out for there own self interest, which is black. They are selfish, and sadistic. Which is black, and why green hates them.

By the way, at the end of this article is proof that white is not all good, and black is not all bad. From head designer Mark Rosewater himself

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mr221

Edit: in fact, arguing that white is good and black is evil is arguing that there is a god, and a devil in the magic multiverse

I disagree with your last statement, arguing that there is good and evil doesn't mean there's a god and a devil (well, there are devils in innistrad) it's arguing that there's good and evil, also on that note angels are not spiritual, they are just mythical creatures with an overwhelming desire to do good (white), and demons are the same except they're evil (black)

Birdbrain

#33
Isn't arguing that white is all good, and black is all evil arguing for absolute truth? And I see your point, and disregard that previous statement (the one about that was arguing there was a god and devil in the magic multiverse)

Although. Even if you take all Christianity out of the picture, the angels in magic are still considered spiritual beings. Otherwise, they'd be humans with wings

Quackmaster5

I see your point birdbrain, and having followed the entire convo, I feel that both sides are correct in their own ways. Yes, the spirituality side would more or less fit in with the green aspect, but I see nature and green as an ever changing entity, everything getting stronger and working together harmoniously. "Survival of the fittest" or last one standing is also a part green. Angels do not represent these concepts. The harmoniously and naturally part could tie in, but angels in that respect would be more of a selesyna theme then, mixing the concepts of white and green. I couldn't say that angels would be mono green bc their purpose is to keep order and maintain the "good" of the world. If you wanna talk legitimate evidence, lets look at the numbers. Most angels( not all) tend to have higher toughness than power (or break even). You never see a top heavy angel. Why? Bc that would be more green aspects. Since they have more toughness, they can be seen as white, since white values protection, and just like someone said, angels are seen in the world as a "guardian" of sorts. I see your point birdbrain, which is why a few green mix angels exists, ie {Sigarda, Host of Herons}, {Maelstrom Angel}, {Empyrial ArchAngel}.  But the overall theme of even those cards is still protection somewhat. And notice that any other angel you find always mixes white, for the most part.

Coffee Vampire

To me, the theme of angels seems to be justice, at all costs. Not good, not evil; but usually good in most cases. Angels seek balance, and justice restores {balance}. ;)

Birdbrain

I guess your right quackmaster. I guess if there was an all green angel, it would have to be one of nature. A wild angel whose desire to protect is instinctual. Basically, you would have to say maybe its whole purpose would be to protect the natural order. I guess green is more about support than protection. Though doesn't support protect?

Though cant one have a different opinion on what angels are? I still say that angels's desire to protect is built into them, and they don't even have to think about it. Maybe angels don't fit into the color wheel at all, because there are just too much about them. And the color wheel is too static, though it is stretched all the time MaRo admitted.

I'll meet you half way and say angels are hard to classify

Birdbrain

#37
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on February 14, 2013, 04:24:11 PM
To me, the theme of angels seems to be justice, at all costs. Not good, not evil; but usually good in most cases. Angels seek balance, and justice restores {balance}. ;)
and white is the color of balance. Though green is the second most color that cares about balance. Just look at the natural world, and how one species usually affects the other...man. White and green are really close to each other, just like MaRo said

Mikefrompluto

Quote from: KangaRod on February 14, 2013, 05:09:20 PM
I think you're thinking of pixies of fairies. Angels are universally acknowledged as the ultimate pure beings.

Purity in all modern literature is represented as order, and impurity as chaos.
  Nature is considered to be the opposite to technology, and the traditional tropes always use green to represent nature, and therefore, traditionally, green is the colour of chaos.

When you have the ultimate pure being, putting it in the colour that aligns itself with the chaos of nature is nonsensical

I agree with this. Angels being anything but white doesnt make sense to me.

MarduArrow

Another thing is that angels are flying and green is very anti-flying (reach, plummet, aerial predation)

Birdbrain

#40
I guess my problem is I disagree, because I've found that nature is very orderly because the ecosystems have lots of species that need each other to survive.

And by the way, if green is chaos, why isn't there coin flipping in green? And why is red described as chaotic?

Green is in between white and red. So one can say its actually in between order and chaos. It's very orderly, but I suppose it's also spontaneous as well. Though I guess compared to white, green is chaotic. Though it is not in and of itself chaotic. Just hard to predict, and instinctual.

Looking at a forest from a top down perspective, it actually supports numerous birds. Letting them thrive, providing them with places to nest, and protection. Though I think greens flying hate must come from big flyers like dragons. So it makes sense, and it doesn't at the same time. I suppose angels are big flyers, and probably wouldn't fly well through a forest. Though in my opinion, nature is the purest form of anything man-made around us. Sense at some point, it all came from nature

Piotr

Well, no, nature is not about order, it is about competition. The forest doesn't 'support' the birds, it merely ignores them. The forest is about constant struggle for resources: ground, water, light. It's about outcompeting all the other species in fight for the resources. Eat or be eaten, overgrow or be overgrown. No protection, just survival of the fittest.

Birdbrain

Well what the deal with greens interdependence than?

Majriti

Ur still arguing ? Funny
It's like a broken record

Coffee Vampire

Hey now he just has a strong oppinion, no need to make hurt feeling comments :)