Rarity statuses

Started by DevilGin, February 19, 2012, 06:13:14 PM

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BlackJester

Quote from: Prophylaxis on February 20, 2012, 12:14:47 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on February 19, 2012, 11:21:57 PM
I will agree with DevilGin in that they have missed th mark with some of their mythics and rares. Mythic status is supposed to be for killer chase cards like Planewalkers. They should have expected Snappy to be mythic worthy. And WTF is up with {Archangel's Light}? ???

The original intention, as described by WotC, was to use mythic status to let inexperienced player know which cards were worth holding on to. Recently they have not been doing so well in this.  ðŸ˜"

MaRo said that Archangel's Light was a last-minute card and they wanted to play it safe as last-minute cards burned them in the past (see {Umewaza's Jitte}, {Jace, the Mind Sculptor})
I know, but I don't think limited, high-costed life-gain will be breaking any formats. 😏

Prophylaxis

Quote from: BlackJester on February 20, 2012, 12:44:24 AM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on February 20, 2012, 12:14:47 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on February 19, 2012, 11:21:57 PM
I will agree with DevilGin in that they have missed th mark with some of their mythics and rares. Mythic status is supposed to be for killer chase cards like Planewalkers. They should have expected Snappy to be mythic worthy. And WTF is up with {Archangel's Light}? ???

The original intention, as described by WotC, was to use mythic status to let inexperienced player know which cards were worth holding on to. Recently they have not been doing so well in this.  ðŸ˜"

MaRo said that Archangel's Light was a last-minute card and they wanted to play it safe as last-minute cards burned them in the past (see {Umewaza's Jitte}, {Jace, the Mind Sculptor})
I know, but I don't think limited, high-costed life-gain will be breaking any formats. 😏

R&D's loose guideline for mythic rares are "something that can do something awesome". This is basically a new player's dream card right here - life gain and anti-mill? Yes please! :D

BlackJester

I know, it just makes "seasoned vets" like me shake our heads. ðŸ˜"

DevilGin

Wow I didn't expect this to be popular :P but let me clarify I am angry at wotc at making some mythic rates /rares / uncommons no worthy of their status. for example snapcaster can easily be mythic rare status. Also isochron scepter can also be a rare. The problem is I find that becuase it is a 'mythic rare' doesn't make it worth the £10 at the beginning of the set. For example Geist traft was worth roughly £10 when it came out and now it's worth £22?! Compared to the other mythical like grimgrin It's double even triple the value. So why isn't Grimgrin worth £22? Becuase it's not used as much.

So the thing I'm getting at is they need to take care of what they see fit as their rarity statuses.

P.s I rant about alot of things. :p

cltrn81

Quote from: DevilGin on February 20, 2012, 04:31:31 PM
Wow I didn't expect this to be popular :P but let me clarify I am angry at wotc at making some mythic rates /rares / uncommons no worthy of their status. for example snapcaster can easily be mythic rare status. Also isochron scepter can also be a rare. The problem is I find that becuase it is a 'mythic rare' doesn't make it worth the £10 at the beginning of the set. For example Geist traft

{Geist of Saint Traft} deserves mythic status....are you saying it does not?

BlackJester

Rants are good!  They polarize people and get them talking. I do know that they sometimes put "player-type" specific cards (cards a small group like, but not everyone) are rare just so players don't get as many copies.
There is a tough balance between the status of cards and their availability to players in Limited, or Sealed.  Or just the availability in general.  I think players would be 😡 if the Captains were all rare.

DevilGin



{Geist of Saint Traft} deserves mythic status....are you saying it does not?
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Sorry edited my post xD using my phone ATM :-/ but an answer is yes he does but I think the other mythics are shadowed by how much he is and I think that's R&Ds fault :p

BlackJester

Quote from: DevilGin on February 20, 2012, 05:01:36 PM

Sorry edited my post xD using my phone ATM :-/ but an answer is yes he does but I think the other mythics are shadowed by how much he is and I think that's R&Ds fault :p
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Poof

Coffee vampire from reading your posts I don't think u understand that rarity effects the availability of a card.  We are not talking about color symbols here and if  snapcaster had a black symbol making him common there's no way I would see him being worth more than 2 bucks he would be readily available to anyone. 

Rass

They will never make everyone happy. They need to put each kind of card for each rarity. You need useful ok and not that great on each rarity. It's hard enough for a common deck to win vs a mythic rare deck. That's why I stay away from tournements except sealed ones. This is a hobby where I'm gonna spend some money but not enough to compete with the big spenders.

Spikepit

Quote from: Rass on February 20, 2012, 06:23:27 PM
They will never make everyone happy. They need to put each kind of card for each rarity. You need useful ok and not that great on each rarity. It's hard enough for a common deck to win vs a mythic rare deck. That's why I stay away from tournements except sealed ones. This is a hobby where I'm gonna spend some money but not enough to compete with the big spenders.
Very well put. Agreed.

DevilGin

Quote from: Rass on February 20, 2012, 06:23:27 PM
They will never make everyone happy. They need to put each kind of card for each rarity. You need useful ok and not that great on each rarity. It's hard enough for a common deck to win vs a mythic rare deck. That's why I stay away from tournements except sealed ones. This is a hobby where I'm gonna spend some money but not enough to compete with the big spenders.

This is my point exactly. And I feel the same way about tournaments but even then pulling sorin in DA will probably guarantee you made your 'money' back and also a higher chance of winning.

Also a way to improve this is to remove mythic rares all together I don't see the point of having every planeswalker that is new being sold at £30-45 even when it hasn't been released and play tested. I'm more angry that mythics are harder to get, yes i find that ok. It's just when I want another mythic or even a rare I have to trade several mythics for. I personally beileve that each mythic is or should be equally as good as each other so we don't get £80 jace the mind sculptor again. But obviously planeswalkers will obviously be more expensive because of the utility.

BlackJester

The people that make the cards (WotC) don't set the prices (us). We players determine the prices based on interest.  So you are basically asking wizards to stop making some cards more awesome than others. Every rare printed should be a {Snapcaster Mage}.  Think is, of every card is at the same level (which is a challenge to itself) then they are either all overpowered, leading to a runaway power spiral, or they are all meh.
I think they do miss the mark once in a while with mythics, but overall I agree with them. 

Nikhandy

I think that rarity status is pretty important. It could be used to know how likely you are to get the card, obviously :p and They mean to make the mythics and rares better than the rest, but I don't think it's a problem if an uncommon or even a common ends up being really good. I think it's just fair, since the likelihood of getting a mythic in a booster is rather low. Maybe they do it on purpose to make it fair,who knows. But I think it's an important part of the game.

Rass

If each card was equil to get with no difference then imagine how much a booster pack would be $10-20 a pack? Or maybe WotC would be out of business because they cannot sell enough packs and have too little of a profit margin to make it worth while to them.

Think about how many kids buy booster pack by pack just to get that one mythic rare. To just say I have it.

Again, I do agree with you that it is irritating how they set up the rarity, but they need to do something to make their product to have this "I must have" feeling.