Cheaters never win

Started by prayos, January 12, 2013, 02:07:12 AM

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prayos

So, guy at FNM was playing "5 color {Battle of Wits}".  250 card deck.  Going into the Top 8, we were discussing how he won EVERY match 2-0 with Wits.  He was 5-0 for the night.  I played him first round of top 8.  After losing back to back games with Wits, I asked to look through his deck.  I was already very suspicious after the 3rd round.  He got very defensive right away.  Now, I understand, he doesn't HAVE to show me his deck.  So I went to the store owner before my opponent could give him the results, and asked him to ask for a deck check.  I explained my theory to him.  The store owner asked to look through the deck, and stopped counting after 60.  He had 60+ of the Wits in his deck.  Not only did he get banned from every entering another tournament at this store, he's banned from even being a customer. 

Mikefrompluto

Hahahah. So lame. He didnt even cheat in a cool way. (Not that I condone cheating.)

Juggalonoke

That's not cool at all he should be banned from playin in general like dci number reported and all

Moneekahh

Lol that is terrible. The only time I've encountered a cheater was a few years back. My boyfriend and I were playing FNM at our LGS and I was done with my round so I went over to watch my boyfriends game, I was standing behind his opponent and the guy was blatantly drawing extra cards!! I called him out on it and told my bf to be more observant in the future.

Rass

I hate when people stand behind me when I'm playing. I always think they will have a tell to what I still have in my hand.

Dudecore

People cheat all the time. Pay attention to people who pile shuffle. You'll see them stacking the deck all the time. Some people don't even know they're doing it

Birdbrain

Quote from: Dudecore on January 12, 2013, 02:03:24 PM
People cheat all the time. Pay attention to people who pile shuffle. You'll see them stacking the deck all the time. Some people don't even know they're doing it
Pile shuffle. Is that were you take the bottom half and put bits from the top ontop, untill you practically inverted half the deck?

Juggalonoke

Quote from: Dudecore on January 12, 2013, 02:03:24 PM
People cheat all the time. Pay attention to people who pile shuffle. You'll see them stacking the deck all the time. Some people don't even know they're doing it
Hey I pile shuffle Atleast twice every FNM just to get a good shuffle after rounds and such... Force of habit but it helps. I've cought guys going to mulliganthere hand and put like half there hand on top and the rest inside. Then do obvious shuffles so the top never changes around

Dudecore

http://fivewithflores.com/2009/05/how-to-cheat/

This is a good article to read to catch people cheating. It effectively shows how non-random pile shuffling is, and how easy it is to manipulate.

It is no great secret, but I'm certain you'll catch someone doing it.

Deck stacking is illegal, and it violates the spirit of the game. However, with $40,000 on the line at most of these tournaments, cheating is a way of life. Unfortunately you've gotta cheat to win, it's easier then being lucky or good.

Birdbrain

Can someone provide a link on how to rifel shuffle please?

Juggalonoke

Quote from: Dudecore on January 12, 2013, 02:55:07 PM
http://fivewithflores.com/2009/05/how-to-cheat/

This is a good article to read to catch people cheating. It effectively shows how non-random pile shuffling is, and how easy it is to manipulate.

It is no great secret, but I'm certain you'll catch someone doing it.

Deck stacking is illegal, and it violates the spirit of the game. However, with $40,000 on the line at most of these tournaments, cheating is a way of life. Unfortunately you've gotta cheat to win, it's easier then being lucky or good.
Interesting....


swallowtail

Quote from: Dudecore on January 12, 2013, 02:55:07 PM
http://fivewithflores.com/2009/05/how-to-cheat/

This is a good article to read to catch people cheating. It effectively shows how non-random pile shuffling is, and how easy it is to manipulate.

It is no great secret, but I'm certain you'll catch someone doing it.

Deck stacking is illegal, and it violates the spirit of the game. However, with $40,000 on the line at most of these tournaments, cheating is a way of life. Unfortunately you've gotta cheat to win, it's easier then being lucky or good.

Great read, thanks Dudecore.

Piotr

If we had iMtG Tournament with iMtG Law to run it, what would you consider a good punishment* for a particular type of crime?

*good punishment = logical

Xaol

Quote from: Piotr on January 12, 2013, 06:14:34 PM
If we had iMtG Tournament with iMtG Law to run it, what would you consider a good punishment* for a particular type of crime?

*good punishment = logical
Cheat = get your fingers cut off so you can never play again! :D
All jokes aside, punishments would be very circumstantial based upon the type and severity of the crime.