Mental Illness in the US

Started by AlexF129, December 21, 2012, 06:26:50 PM

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MisterJH

What if... All guns were replaces with stuffed animals? Problem solved

Coffee Vampire

I would pay extratax for a police (alreadt trained) to stand in front of schools. Do you think it would make a difference?

MisterJH

Maybe, maybe not. Just as likely as not the next killer would factor in te guard, and just sneak past him or surprise him. My belief is that wont go very far in prevention

Coffee Vampire

Yeah true. Or maybe he would just go to the mall instead. Sigh

ZeroNero

Quote from: MisterJH on December 22, 2012, 02:20:34 PM
What if... All guns were replaces with stuffed animals? Problem solved

Problem solved for civilians. But criminals will still find guns and still kill people. So instead of defending ourselves with guns, we'll have those stuffed animals. Hopefully they can stop some bullets.

Piotr

Quote from: Keyeto on December 22, 2012, 02:11:14 PM
What if we gave the guns to the teachers, but they were stored in some sort of safe box, perhaps all controlled by a central control (which would open the safe box) in the principals office or something? Or maybe if one was opened, an alarm would go off of some sort, so that we would know that a teacher "snapped" or something. A system like this might work out, all the teachers have guns, but don't have access to them unless a crisis is happening (provided the central control thing could work). That way they can protect themselves, and we don't have to worry about accidents.

Would you send your kid to such school, if the other choice school had no-guns policy, the rest being equal?

Xaol

I feel like if we paid paid police officers more money (money which they truly deserve instead of paying sports players millions) we would have a more efficient system and possibly a better way to protect against this, either more officers because police would have a bigger budget and thus more job positions or through their investment in technologies to protect our schools, like metal detectors and that kind of thing.

MisterJH

Or instead of paying officers significantly more, spend more on the selection/training process, so we have fit and effective officers.

Xaol

Quote from: MisterJH on December 22, 2012, 02:38:56 PM
Or instead of paying officers significantly more, spend more on the selection/training process, so we have fit and effective officers.
I should rephrase- not individually but law enforcement as a whole.

Gorzo

Quote from: Piotr on December 22, 2012, 02:02:08 PM
I'm a member of 100 years old shooting club. The club trained me and God knows how many others. The number of gun accidents in the club since 1909: zero. Guns are not nearly as dangerous as I'm reading here, you are scared of them for no proper reason.

You misunderstand, I have no fear of guns. I like them. I fear stupid people, who unlike you, are not trained, do not use logic, cannot properly handle a firearm, do not respect other people's natural rights, and cannot control their abnormal behavior. I don't believe that banning guns is the answer, i think it's blaming the tool the carpenter's craftsmanship. You need to treat the real problem - people. Education.  Proper care for mental health. Fixing the problems in law enforcement and rehabilitation. And so on.

One of my best friends is an arms dealer (a legitimate one, for the record lol) and this arms ban craze is killing his business. He can't get supplies to sell, because $10 magazines are going for $300 right now.

#noided

The more that I hear about this entire issue, the more it seems like it's a little more complex then just "guns are bad".

Also, "High Capacity clips"

Piotr

Quote from: Gorzo on December 22, 2012, 03:04:09 PM
One of my best friends is an arms dealer (a legitimate one, for the record lol) and this arms ban craze is killing his business. He can't get supplies to sell, because $10 magazines are going for $300 right now.

Wow, do you still have supply and demand in the US, or is it like Poland when I was born?

I probably misunderstood again ;) Did you mean that the business is so good that he can put 2900% premium on a box of ammo?

Birdbrain

Dont think people should use mental illness as an excuse. Also, people shouldn't judge people with a mental illness just because of one lunatic. There should be some famous people with aspergers so it's more well known and not thought about in a bad sense.

Piotr

Quote from: Birdbrain on December 22, 2012, 06:20:07 PM
Dont think people should use mental illness as an excuse. Also, people shouldn't judge people with a mental illness just because of one lunatic. There should be some famous people with aspergers so it's more well known and not thought about in a bad sense.

The only 'in bad sense' I've heard in relation to aspergers was in Alex's stories. I've never seen it myself. Could be similar to Polish antisemitism, I suppose :P Mind you, I don't watch TV :D

Gorzo

Quote from: Piotr on December 22, 2012, 03:07:46 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on December 22, 2012, 03:04:09 PM
One of my best friends is an arms dealer (a legitimate one, for the record lol) and this arms ban craze is killing his business. He can't get supplies to sell, because $10 magazines are going for $300 right now.

Wow, do you still have supply and demand in the US, or is it like Poland when I was born?

I probably misunderstood again ;) Did you mean that the business is so good that he can put 2900% premium on a box of ammo?

Yes, we have supply and demand. Sure, he got some extra in sales when sold out, but not enough to turn over to buy new product. Especially as prices keep skyrocketing.

He gave me this example: he has a sig sauer m400. 2 weeks ago, that rifle was worth about $1300 USD. If he had sold it when his shop inventory was bought out, it would have sold for about $1900. When he gave me this example Friday, buying a new one to replace it would have cost nearly $3000.