Mind control

Started by Double-O-Scotch, October 23, 2012, 11:31:05 AM

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Double-O-Scotch

October 23, 2012, 11:31:05 AM
What would happen if I used {mind control} on {karona, false god}

Wackaman9001

#1
October 23, 2012, 11:58:34 AM
It would still get passed around, it's like mind controlling a creature already hit by another mind control I think

Double-O-Scotch

#2
October 23, 2012, 12:21:40 PM
Ok, so does karona's ability circumvent the aura on it?
Example: I cast mind control on karona, gain control of her, but on everyone's upkeep they gain control of her and that's it? Or does it go back to the control of the person who cast it after a "state-based check"?

Double-O-Scotch

#3
October 23, 2012, 12:40:01 PM
Not sure on how the rules work for this...

Maximo

#4
October 23, 2012, 01:13:56 PM
Karona herself says you're gonna lose her to the next person in line, so you do, Mind Control or not. You gain control, then you lose control.

Wackaman9001

#5
October 23, 2012, 01:16:20 PM
Hmm you have a good point they gain control but that is overridden by your mind control...

Double-O-Scotch

#6
October 23, 2012, 02:16:25 PM
So other than the initial turn that you would gain control of enchanted creature, karona's own ability would make that null and void the second someone's upkeep came? Ok that makes sense. Thanks guys.

Fenster

#7
October 23, 2012, 02:32:04 PM
I played Jaces deck against a jace deck in dotp 12 and i cast a {mindcontrol} on him then my opponent however cast {cultural exchange} targeting the mindcontrolled creature from him. But when it resolved i got control of it back again.
I always thought that {Mind control} as the supreme ruler. One to rule them all! :P

Double-O-Scotch

#8
October 23, 2012, 02:35:36 PM
Ok, so now I'm confused again... 😕

Fenster

#9
October 23, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
We need a rules adivsor :P
I thought mindcontrol was a static statebased ability.

whitedrake

#10
October 23, 2012, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: Fenster on October 23, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
We need a rules adivsor :P
I thought mindcontrol was a static statebased ability.

You do not get one thing..;)

U will always get control over the creature but u will never get control over equipments and auras attached to the creature...;)

The aura is still controlled by her caster...;)

Anyway in this case mind control have no effect anyway bcs even mind control cannot cancel her ability to move... Check the definition of local enchantments...;)

Fenster

#11
October 23, 2012, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: whitedrake on October 23, 2012, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: Fenster on October 23, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
We need a rules adivsor :P
I thought mindcontrol was a static statebased ability.

You do not get one thing..;)

U will always get control over the creature but u will never get control over equipments and auras attached to the creature...;)

The aura is still controlles by her caster...;)

Imho in this case mind control have no effect anyway bcs even mind control cannot cancel her ability to move... Check the definition of local enchantments...;)
I dont know exactly what you mean but i think this is what would happen with both korona and trecherous act.
Korona triggers. Control is given away. State is checked. Mindcontrol is seen. Owner of mindcontrol's owner gets her back.

whitedrake

#12
October 23, 2012, 04:04:50 PM
Check rule 613.8...;)

Fenster

#13
October 23, 2012, 04:13:55 PM
But korona and act arent continous?
Perhaps it is what makes it not possible.

whitedrake

#14
October 23, 2012, 04:14:38 PM
According to the rules...
Gain control effects resolve in second layer according to the timestamp of the effect...

Means Mind Control gives control and after that new stamped ability of the vreature..;)
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