B/R Vampires "My Friends Sparkle!"

[Validan]

Also works well wih {rakish heir}, {falkenwrath marauders} etc

[InfinitiveDivinity]

Bloodthirst? Who would you be trying to trigger? I have a 1 of {Bloodlord of Vaasgoth} in mine, he doesn't run any Bloodthirsty creatures. (albeit the fact that they are vampires)

[Appleguru56]

Bloodthirst? Who would you be trying to trigger? I have a 1 of {Bloodlord of Vaasgoth} in mine, he doesn't run any Bloodthirsty creatures. (albeit the fact that they are vampires)

One thing I don't like about these new triggered ability is that you are going out of your way to try to trigger when you should just be using those precious resources to directly win the game.....

[BlackJester]

You don't think usin your resources to buff your dudes is a path to winning?

I forces you to consider many elements on the board, giving rewards to players who can best manage their resources and demonstrate better playing skills.
Or I suppose we could all just play Portal or RDW all the time.

[Appleguru56]

You don't think usin your resources to buff your dudes is a path to winning?

I forces you to consider many elements on the board, giving rewards to players who can best manage their resources and demonstrate better playing skills.
Or I suppose we could all just play Portal or RDW all the time.

There is a reason why the current metagame supports so many aggro decks aboard. GW humans, UW humans, all the blade variants, tempered steel, RDW, all the token variants, puresteel, moorland aggro, delver aggro, illusions..... The list goes on and on.
Right now, it is simply less efficient to use your precious mana and cards of a deck to do anything else. Not that there arnt any other decks out there, but bloodthirst simply isn't one of those archetypes that uses those resources most efficently.

[Appleguru56]

An example would be playing a (lets assume) shock on your opponent, then play your bloodlord, then play your (bloodthirsty vamp) vampire outcast with five counters and wait until next turn to attack for alot of damage and hoping none of that goes wrong.........
Or you could play a geist of saint traft and Gideon Jura and establish total board control.

[BlackJester]

What about using early creatures with evasion or {Tormented Soul}?  There are other enablers other than DD.
(I'm not expecting to win any arguments here, I bow to your Standard analysis)

[Prophylaxis]

{Stormblood Berserker}

Not a vampire. He doesn't benefit from vampiric fury or stromkirk captain.

He's still good in a vampire deck though.

He's only good for falkenrath aristocrat, and his own bloodthirst ability. He doesn't benefit from anything else.

Ok, Olivia is simply a better card I evey shape and form. They cost the same, Olivia is just one weaker than aristocrat, but she can make herself a 5/5 the very next turn and bigger after that, and kill all their blockers, there is nothing that aristocrat does that is better, even her sac ability you must give another creature in aristocrats place when she is going to die.

Agreed. I'm still predicting the Aristocrat to be a financial pickup though. Cards like these can snowball. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=357716

[Appleguru56]

The aristocrat is running at 9 right now, you may as well get olivia

[THISguy]

What happens when they play their board wipe? Aristocrat gets saved by sacrificing a creature unless it s a black sun zenith. That is what makes her better in my opinion.

[Alaskanice]

What happens when they play their board wipe? Aristocrat gets saved by sacrificing a creature unless it s a black sun zenith. That is what makes her better in my opinion.

As apple said earlier, the majority of decks currently in play are aggro decks and as such they typically don't main board a wrath card. If you like them so much maybe side board them? And trade out with Olivia if they are playing all wipes? Then again, any black deck out there will probably run {tragic slip}, so indestructible will be useless anyway.

[SauceyMTG]

I have ran B/R vampires in many different forms for quite a long time, and after playing with almost every creature, I can easily say that Olivia Voldaren is far better then Falkenrath Aristocrat, and Rakish Heir and Bloodline Keeper are must-haves. You do have 4 stromkirk nobles which is good, but 4x Child of Night shouldn't be in there if you want the deck to be as competitive as possible. Markov Blademaster is really really good, paired with removal to clear a lane for it, and a rakish heir/curse of stalked prey, it's insane.

[Alaskanice]

I am so happy I picked up a {markov blade master} in the prerelease, =D

[Appleguru56]

It has been decided by the vote of the majority that Olivia is a far better card than aristocrat.

[Prophylaxis]

It has been decided by the vote of the majority that Olivia is a far better card than aristocrat.

Once I found out {Tragic Slip}, go Olivia.
But Olivia doesn't do anything when she hits the board!