Douche move Wizards...

Started by Fenster, October 02, 2012, 10:04:40 AM

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Silent1236

Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on October 02, 2012, 02:01:01 PM
What really makes me nervous is the text in grafdigger's cage. Cards can't be cast from graveyards (ok) or libraries (hunh?) what cards can be cast from your library?

{Panglacial Wurm}!!!! :D

whitedrake

Quote from: Fenster on October 04, 2012, 12:36:37 PM
Quote from: whitedrake on October 04, 2012, 06:43:51 AM
Quote from: Fenster on October 04, 2012, 05:56:06 AM
Yeah but this does the opposite. If you have a gy focused deck its hard to sideboard and entire new strategy :P

Mhmm tell me if I am wrong but you can always sideboard against enchantments or arftifacts...;) do not tell me that you cannot...
Yeah but then whats the point of having sideboards at all? "Ill sideboard against your sideboard against my sideboard!"
Id rather see a matches being decided by the best stratetgy rather than who has the right sideboard.
Also i dont understand why they just dont ban delver in standard if thats the problem of deck diversity!
/Rant ranty rant rant!

OMG I do not ask to sideboard against sideboard... I have always in sideboard or in main deck something that would be able to handle with nasty artifacts or enchantments... And so do the others... U do not need to put it to the sideboard bcs of those two ugly cards...;) it is simply helpful to have it...

Fenster

Nonono i didnt mean you spesificly!
More as a symbolism about sideboarding :P

Quackmaster5

This is why my meta does not use the sideboard feature. It makes the game to predictable. If you find an unfavorable matchup, guess what? BE CREATIVE!!!! When you build a deck, you have to have solutions for everything, not just add it in after the first round. We don't play sideboards bc if I end up playing ground attack vs flyers, guess what happens next game, I don't add in flying hate, I change my tactic. Simple. The whole side boarding thing goes back to the whole concept of "who has the better cards to play". Look at death gaaras article. I wonder how many of those rookies thought since they had better cards that they would win game two by side boarding the right stuff. WRONG. so my point being, and I'm done with my rant. And I'm sorry if this came off as an attack (I deal with 8th graders all day.....), one card in a sideboard is not going to change the face of magic. One card did change the face of magic and then all the little newbies out there who have absolutely no skill out there decided to build the same 💩 decided to mimic one idea. So don't blame wizards for trying to take back control and inspire creativity again. Because that's what the games about. And I hate all the little 💩's out there that think being a good magic player is having money cards.

Note to self: control anger issues in class tomorrow.

Moneekahh

Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on October 02, 2012, 02:01:01 PM
What really makes me nervous is the text in grafdigger's cage. Cards can't be cast from graveyards (ok) or libraries (hunh?) what cards can be cast from your library?

You can use {birthing pod} and {chord of calling} to cast creatures from your library.

Quackmaster5

Quote from: Testset on October 04, 2012, 03:59:17 PM
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on October 04, 2012, 03:52:35 PM
This is why my meta does not use the sideboard feature. It makes the game to predictable. If you find an unfavorable matchup, guess what? BE CREATIVE!!!! When you build a deck, you have to have solutions for everything, not just add it in after the first round. We don't play sideboards bc if I end up playing ground attack vs flyers, guess what happens next game, I don't add in flying hate, I change my tactic. Simple. The whole side boarding thing goes back to the whole concept of "who has the better cards to play". Look at death gaaras article. I wonder how many of those rookies thought since they had better cards that they would win game two by side boarding the right stuff. WRONG. so my point being, and I'm done with my rant. And I'm sorry if this came off as an attack (I deal with 8th graders all day.....), one card in a sideboard is not going to change the face of magic. One card did change the face of magic and then all the little newbies out there who have absolutely no skill out there decided to build the same 💩 decided to mimic one idea. So don't blame wizards for trying to take back control and inspire creativity again. Because that's what the games about. And I hate all the little 💩's out there that think being a good magic player is having money cards.

Note to self: control anger issues in class tomorrow.
Yeah, my meta refuses to use sideboard in casual play. With one exception: my power deck. It's basically the challenge to beat, but {Swords to Plowshares} is pretty useless against a noncreature opponent. So I take them out rather than draw duds. But it wouldn't be fair to run a deck with fewer than 60 cards, would it?

To each his own in my meta. I have decks under 60. I got a buddy who doesn't have a single deck under 85 cards. He has an idea and just throws every single card like it in that deck. So It's fair game in my playgroup. I got a deck like that in my play group. No one lets me play my mill deck. They HATE it. Complete control, no matter how many players, no matter what decks. Honestly one of my favorite decks to play. So much fun because once they know what I'm playing, they scoop or threaten to blow themselves up with burn spells. But once again, no sideboarding, so they just gotta deal and make the best of the situation once they are stuck in it. But I don't play standard competitive. It was so weird to see how much people tweeked decks in the pre-release. I did not touch my deck from beginning to end and still managed to win two rounds and tie a third.

whitedrake

Quote from: Quackmaster5 on October 04, 2012, 03:52:35 PM
This is why my meta does not use the sideboard feature. It makes the game to predictable. If you find an unfavorable matchup, guess what? BE CREATIVE!!!! When you build a deck, you have to have solutions for everything, not just add it in after the first round. We don't play sideboards bc if I end up playing ground attack vs flyers, guess what happens next game, I don't add in flying hate, I change my tactic. Simple. The whole side boarding thing goes back to the whole concept of "who has the better cards to play". Look at death gaaras article. I wonder how many of those rookies thought since they had better cards that they would win game two by side boarding the right stuff. WRONG. so my point being, and I'm done with my rant. And I'm sorry if this came off as an attack (I deal with 8th graders all day.....), one card in a sideboard is not going to change the face of magic. One card did change the face of magic and then all the little newbies out there who have absolutely no skill out there decided to build the same 💩 decided to mimic one idea. So don't blame wizards for trying to take back control and inspire creativity again. Because that's what the games about. And I hate all the little 💩's out there that think being a good magic player is having money cards.

Note to self: control anger issues in class tomorrow.

I would partly disagree with you...;)
It is fine, cool marvelous and etc. that you do not use sideboarding in ur playgroup ( noone does in casual I guess ), but u must consider one thing Type 2 format of the tournaments were always with the option of the sideboarding and maybe I am wrong but 99,99999 percent of the players in constructed use that option.
You cannot compare sideboarding in constructed and limited there is huge difference... DG's article about pre-release is great and shows how important is to know the game and be able to predict opponents moves, but still it is about limited format.

You put your post the way like you would think that sideboarding should be illegal... But sideboarding is part of the strategy...;)
I agree that good player and deck builder do not need to sideboard that often and that the game should stand more on the skills of the player but you cannot blame the others for using sideboard...;)
If u would check pro-tour or grand prix deck lists every single one will have sideboard... Why? Do you think that those players are not good enough? That they are not skilled?

And I definitely agree with you that the game is not only about expensive cards... It is mainly about the skills of the player. You can see it every day how greenhorns with 400$ decks are defeated by old school guys with average price decks...;)

To close that off topic post... I do not want to offend you, then I hope you will not take it like that...;)

Fenster

Sideboards are there to even out tournaments. To make sure that chances of one deck being unanswerable are low.
Wich is fine. Eventhough this happens it also reduces the effectiveness of certain decks because suddenly people can just sideboard cards like rip to shut them down. Wich is unless you yourself sideboards against these shutdowns. Not that its very hard now when almost every color is getting some decent removal but thats not the point. The point is that instead of thinking how to best have your deck face alot of different tactics you can just add some replacable cards to your maindeck and an answer for different deck types in your sideboard.
Although without sideboards maybe archetypes would become even more evident and gain more pressence in competative formats such as standard.

Quackmaster5

Exactly my point. If there was no sideboard, think of how many variations to decks people would have. People wouldn't just net deck and then sideboard in removal after round one. It takes away from the creativity of the game. Rather, you come into the game with all the necessary tools at your disposal and make due with what you have. And if you win, you win. If you lose, well you didn't have the right answers. But it shouldn't be that "omg I know your strategy now, so I'm gunna put 10 cards in to destroy it that weren't in my original strategy". You know what I mean?

Btw, I know I am a casual player and therefore have a completely different mindset towards all of this. So nothing will offend me. 😃

whitedrake

In the end we are talking somehow about the same thing...:D only in various ways...;)

Quackmaster5

I know! Weird right? I feel like we are both supporting the "sideboard ehhh" thing but just from different angles. God damn. I need sleep. Thank god it's Friday.  I need to keep my blood pressure under control today. Good news is: THANK GOD SOME SPANISH DUDE DIDN'T HAVE A GPS IN 1492!!!!!

Fenster

Well surely they can make something special about one card?

whitedrake

Quote from: Testset on October 05, 2012, 09:58:56 AM
Oh, and if they ban sideboard, you may as well put your {Spawnsires of Ulamog} in the fireplace...

I strongly disagree that card does not correspond to sideboard only...;) yeah of course if we would talk only about tournaments, then yes...

BTW: noone calls for sideboard BAN...;)

Phat Max

I like side boarding. If you try to answer every problem your decks has all MB, you wouldn't have anything left in terms of the original deck strategy!

Let's say you are a GY-themed deck... There must-answer artifacts, enchantments , even creatures that hose GYs

Then there's the usual 'I can't beat X combo, so I need Y to stop it'

Without a SB, your easily looking at a 70-80 card deck... And the chances of ever getting what you need would be atrocious.

Just saying... Magic skill applies to SB just as much -if not more so- than MB

OT: I think too much GY-hate has been printed... Seriously getting ridiculous.