Vampire

[Neener]

Vampire 70 cards, 14 sideboard 4 {Rakdos Guildgate} 4 {Blood Crypt} 4 {Dragonskull Summit} 10 {Swamp} 4 {Mountain} 26 lands 2 {Falkenrath Aristocrat} 4 {Rakdos Cackler} 4 {Bloodline Keeper} 4 {Blood Artist} 4 {Vampire Nighthawk} 2 {Olivia Voldaren} 2 {Vampire Nocturnus} 22 creatures 2 {Sign in Blood} 3 {Rakdos's Return} 3 {Dreadbore} 8 other spells Sideboard 4 {Rakdos Charm} 4 {Abrupt Decay} 2 {Slaughter Games} 4 {Overgrown Tomb} 14 sideboard cards Notes:

[Chadgamer]

I personally would -2 {Olivia Voldaren} (drawing 2-3 legendary creatures while you have a copy on the field sucks) and -2 {Vampire Nighthawk} (he's honestly not that strong) and +4 {Falkenrath Aristocrat} your removal seems weak, if $ isn't an issue I'd get the one sided earthquakes in there instead

[Wally]

I disagree, the nighthawk is brutal, especially when he gets first strike and +1 from the captain. He really slows down anything that might be considering attacking until you can use Olivia to pull them over to your side.
I do agree on lowering Olivia to 3 tho. She's a huge target, so most likely she will be removed. You then replace. And yeah it would suck if you were caught holding 2 more.

[Chadgamer]

With the amount of board wipes in the coming meta, I believe indestructible > deathtouch. Pre-M13 Nighthawk never saw standard play because you are paying 3 mana for a 2/3, I could definitely see him as a sideboard card though. Haste + flying + sac engine + indestructible is too good not have in my opinion

[Wally]

How about as 3 mana for a 3/4 flying first strike death touch? Still not good enough?

Also I wasn't advocating against the falkenrath, rather for the nighthawk, especially in this lineup. I'd say just need to find room elsewhere.

[Mothaelon]

-2 Olivia
-1 keeper
+2 aristocrat
+1 noctornus

[whitedrake]

With the amount of board wipes in the coming meta, I believe indestructible > deathtouch. Pre-M13 Nighthawk never saw standard play because you are paying 3 mana for a 2/3, I could definitely see him as a sideboard card though. Haste + flying + sac engine + indestructible is too good not have in my opinion

Oh please do not compare those two cards... falk is good card but u cannot compare it with nighthawk... First of all rarity of the cards, second the cost of indestructibility...

Of course both cards have the place in the deck... But I would never cut nighthawk to 2 cards because of falken...

[Mothaelon]

With the amount of board wipes in the coming meta, I believe indestructible > deathtouch. Pre-M13 Nighthawk never saw standard play because you are paying 3 mana for a 2/3, I could definitely see him as a sideboard card though. Haste + flying + sac engine + indestructible is too good not have in my opinion

When did you start playing?

Cause nighthawk wasn't around for m12 cause he wasn't standard but in m11/zendikar, he was everywhere cause he is one of the best 3 drops in the game especially for an uncommon

2/3 flying deathtouch and lifelink?

Then with a captain on the board 3/4 with all that and first strike

But wait, he isn't good right? Please

[Elitehalo360]

Night hawk was a standard staple for black back in zendikar he is amazing

[Chadgamer]

Whoa... Chill out everyone, I wasn't saying Nighthawk was a bad card, I'm saying that cutting Nighthawk for a much better card is worth it in my opinion. We'll see what the top B/R decks look like next week and ill let those lists speak for me.

[Mothaelon]

Whoa... Chill out everyone, I wasn't saying Nighthawk was a bad card, I'm saying that cutting Nighthawk for a much better card is worth it in my opinion. We'll see what the top B/R decks look like next week and ill let those lists speak for me.

This isn't a b/r deck

It's a vampire deck

Big difference

[Chadgamer]

Whoa... Chill out everyone, I wasn't saying Nighthawk was a bad card, I'm saying that cutting Nighthawk for a much better card is worth it in my opinion. We'll see what the top B/R decks look like next week and ill let those lists speak for me.

This isn't a b/r deck

It's a vampire deck

Big difference

Point being? Next week the results of thousands of FNM/weekend tourneys will be published, and I'm more than willing to bet any and probably all top B/R decks(vampire or not) will run Aristocrat and very few will have Nighthawk. Until that time however, this is a pointless discussion

[Mothaelon]

Whoa... Chill out everyone, I wasn't saying Nighthawk was a bad card, I'm saying that cutting Nighthawk for a much better card is worth it in my opinion. We'll see what the top B/R decks look like next week and ill let those lists speak for me.

This isn't a b/r deck

It's a vampire deck

Big difference

Point being? Next week the results of thousands of FNM/weekend tourneys will be published, and I'm more than willing to bet any and probably all top B/R decks(vampire or not) will run Aristocrat and very few will have Nighthawk. Until that time however, this is a pointless discussion

Cause you are making a point in a vampire themed deck about a different themed deck
That's how

Of course aristocrat is better in a red
Black deck, but this isn't a red/black Aggro deck

It's a vampire deck

[Chadgamer]

Cause you are making a point in a vampire themed deck about a different themed deck
That's how

Of course aristocrat is better in a red
Black deck, but this isn't a red/black Aggro deck

It's a vampire deck

ARISTOCRAT IS A VAMPIRE. He's better in both cases, your argument is invalid

[Mothaelon]

No because you were arguing for Red black, plus I never said aristocrat was bad, I was saying nighthawk is good for a VAMPIRE deck, and how you said he wasn't good for. a RED/BLACK.deck, I was saying the DIFFERENCES IN THE DECK doesn't constitute you saying nighthawk is bad for his VAMPIRE deck