Theft?

[Moneekahh]

Please tell me if you consider this theft. Person A and person B are dating. Person A offer some dual lands to person B on loan, to spruce up an EDH deck. After a few months they break up. Person A ask for the lands back, person B doesn't return them for a few weeks, out of frustration, person A tells person B to forget about returning the cards. Almost a year later, person A finds out that B sold two out f three of the cards. When B catches wind that person A has been telling the mtg community that B stole cards, B returns the third land back to A.

Did B steal from A?

[peepew]

Well not really if they said forget about it but its still pretty 💩ty of them on there part they should have returned them and at the very least not sold them

[Imdowd80]

Well not really if they said forget about it but its still pretty 💩ty of them on there part they should have returned them and at the very least not sold them

Once A gave up claim of wanting then back, they became Bs to do with what B pleases.
My GF has a ring from an ex  that he doesn't want back, and she is looking to sell it. Ring wasn't a loan but similar point.

[Gorzo]

Tough call. Once A asked for them back, B should have given them back right away. I mean sure, we all know how breakups are, but not why not give them back? Spite? What good is that? Just has a negative impact on both people.

But, once A says "Ugh I've had enough, just keep the damn things, I'm tired of your crap," its hard to call them "stolen" because B can now say "They're mine, A said I can keep them."

I certainly don't agree with what person B did, I think not returning them and then selling them was rather spiteful, but unfortunately calling it theft be technically untrue (even if its fundamentally true).

Condolences to person A.

[Piotr]

Not so tough of a call then.

[Gorzo]

Not so tough of a call then.

More tough to swallow than tough to call, I suppose.

[Greg54js]

Please tell me if you consider this theft. Person A and person B are dating. Person A offer some dual lands to person B on loan, to spruce up an EDH deck. After a few months they break up. Person A ask for the lands back, person B doesn't return them for a few weeks, out of frustration, person A tells person B to forget about returning the cards. Almost a year later, person A finds out that B sold two out f three of the cards. When B catches wind that person A has been telling the mtg community that B stole cards, B returns the third land back to A.

Did B steal from A?

were the cards sold before the breakup or after?

[Phat Max]

Theft or not, it's called being a good person... I don't understand. Sure the cards are worth something, but what kind of thought process justifies selling something that isn't yours?

[Piotr]

At the stage when it was sold, the ownership was with the seller.

[Mikefrompluto]

The answer is clearly no.

[Piotr]

They may have been an a*hole, but not a thief. Is A*hole not prime time TV?

[Rass]

Ehh I can see the reasoning of calling a person a thief. Can I judge it no. What was the context of the person giving them away. Did they say it in a nice way. "I know we had our problems but you might as well keep those cards." Or was it more like. "F@€k it I know I'm never gonna see those cards you might as well keep them then so I never have to talk to you again."

[Rass]

Follow up question. Was person B ever planning on giving them back?(then you can answer this question yourself). What made the person change their mind to tell person B to keep them.

[adventus]

Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend

[Cindjor]

I would call it theft. B willingly let A get frustrated enough to give up on returning the lands so A would, in exasperation, give up on expecting the lands back.

Let's use an example, A lent a car to B to use because B really needs a car. A still owns the title to the car but B has the only copies of the keys. B refuses to return the car keys back to A and A gives up in frustration. B eventually sells the car and A finds out, gets mad blahblahblah and so forth.

Obviously, in this case there is no proof of ownership(a title)  of cards, but B knows who the cards belong to and so does A. I see it as theft, or larceny because the property was unwillingly turned over by A to B.