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[izik99]

The old one lets you ping when you draw, the new one let's you draw when you ping. Draw a card and then you draw and ping until either they die or you run out of cards.

It would result in a tie, because I saw in the rules that if a combo is infinite, with no way for the player who cast it to stop it or make it not technically infinite, the game is a draw.

[BlackJester]

The old one lets you ping when you draw, the new one let's you draw when you ping. Draw a card and then you draw and ping until either they die or you run out of cards.

It would result in a tie, because I saw in the rules that if a combo is infinite, with no way for the player who cast it to stop it or make it not technically infinite, the game is a draw.

The new Niv says "...you MAY draw a card."  You can stop if you want, so you won't kill yourself.

Also, in a case like this, the triggers use the stack. This means that the state is checked between each step and the loop would kill a player then they would die during the loop.

[Greg54js]

Yeah, and i think he's even better than the old one. Cool looking card, and great for commander

HOLY POOP!!

Great thing is, you can have each one in play for instawin.

Wait what ?!?! I'm confused on this ruling

One is Niv-mizzet the firemind
The other is Niv-mizzet Dracogenius.
Different names hence why there can be 2 Nivs out at the same time.

[Maximo]

See {Mikaeus, The Lunarch} and {Mikaeus, The Unhallowed}.

[Willthomjr]

Legend rule is different from Planeswalker rule.

True story bro 😳

[Guitello]

I am thinking they will reprint {remand}.  There are no really great counterspells and this one has a draw back which I think WotC is doing a lot of lately....pretty much they are telling us no more free counterspells.  I just really hope they reprint it!!!

Idk, I think WotC wants us to embrace {Dissipate}

[BlackJester]

{Remand} + {Snapcaster Mage} in the same format = 😭😭😭😭

[#noided]

{Remand} + {Snapcaster Mage} in the same format = 😭😭😭😭

Snappy will get banned before it rotates. Mark my words.

[Guitello]

{Remand} + {Snapcaster Mage} in the same format = 😭😭😭😭

Snappy will get banned before it rotates. Mark my words.

Not so sure about that. Although its a possibility, I'm not sure if they will do it. If they don't, they better not give Blue a slew of new good cantrips/low mana spells

[ChrisRodriguez]

{Remand} + {Snapcaster Mage} in the same format = 😭😭😭😭

Those cards are already in the same format....modern. And it's not running rampant in that format. Standard maybe a smaller format I think RtR will give us more variety.

[Guitello]

Well so far for counters we have Izzet Charm (Great card IMO) and the UW Cursecatcher with flying. I guess we will see what else we get as times go on

[#noided]

{Remand} + {Snapcaster Mage} in the same format = 😭😭😭😭

Those cards are already in the same format....modern. And it's not running rampant in that format. Standard maybe a smaller format I think RtR will give us more variety.

There's a wider array of viable counters in Modern. Come PT RTR the only playable counters may well be limited to {Dissipate}, {Negate} and {Rewind}.

[Guitello]

{Remand} + {Snapcaster Mage} in the same format = 😭😭😭😭

Those cards are already in the same format....modern. And it's not running rampant in that format. Standard maybe a smaller format I think RtR will give us more variety.

There's a wider array of viable counters in Modern. Come PT RTR the only playable counters may well be limited to {Dissipate}, {Negate} and {Rewind}.

I wouldn't be surprised of {Essence Scatter} Saw some sideboardage for going against humans (most run little/no Non-creatur non-lands)

[#noided]

The reason I say Snappy will get banned is because {Gobline Electromancer} will break it.

[BlackJester]

The reason I say Snappy will get banned is because {Gobline Electromancer} will break it.

Nah, he'd just force another color. Snappy is splashable.

I know they are both together in Modern, but there is a much larger card pool to consider. I should have said Standard. He was bad enough (though not broken) with {Mana Leak}.