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Title: Double strike
Post by: Jroch314 on July 18, 2012, 09:54:16 PM
Ok so if you have an instance where a card says when this creature deals damage something happens ie {warren instigator}, which has double strike. When it deals damage it technically deals damage twice so would you get 2 of those effects? Would I be able to put 2 goblins into play?
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: scarsabrex on July 18, 2012, 09:57:03 PM
yes
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: JaCe BeLeReN on July 18, 2012, 09:57:03 PM
Yes. The rulings state so.
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Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Willthomjr on July 18, 2012, 10:17:27 PM
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on July 18, 2012, 09:57:03 PM
Yes. The rulings state so.
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Not everyone pays for the app
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Kuberr on July 18, 2012, 10:18:38 PM
Like me. Mommy and daddy dot hand me money so I cannot afford it.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: JaCe BeLeReN on July 18, 2012, 10:20:39 PM
You don't get rulings if you didn't buy the app?
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Willthomjr on July 18, 2012, 10:21:26 PM
Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on July 18, 2012, 10:20:39 PM
You don't get rulings if you didn't buy the app?

Yessir
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Kuberr on July 18, 2012, 10:21:34 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: JaCe BeLeReN on July 18, 2012, 10:21:46 PM
Oh...
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Willthomjr on July 18, 2012, 10:22:17 PM
Even The great Jace learns something new errday
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Hays413 on July 18, 2012, 10:32:16 PM
Lol that explains a lot of Jace's posts
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: JaCe BeLeReN on July 18, 2012, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: Hays413 on July 18, 2012, 10:32:16 PM
Lol that explains a lot of Jace's posts
Oh! Will you look at that. I just {Mind Control}ed your family. I'm watching you...
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Kaleo42 on July 19, 2012, 12:04:43 AM
Im glad this was the first app i got with my new phone cause i had two apple gift cards that i hadnt used and could drop $10 without it hitting my bank account. It has helped a ton to have access to these features.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 12:09:24 AM
Cool story. Tell me another?
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: cltrn81 on July 19, 2012, 04:00:03 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 12:09:24 AM
Cool story. Tell me another?
I once knew a man from Nantuckit, he had a .........
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Piotr on July 19, 2012, 05:50:33 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 12:09:24 AM
Cool story. Tell me another?

I have a feeling that once personal bans are implemented, you will disappear to half of Gathering.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Elitehalo360 on July 19, 2012, 09:14:44 PM
Double strike, I know I should know this but, if a creature has it and it's first hit kills it does the other strike go through, without having trample ability, or does the block stop it all together
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on July 19, 2012, 09:14:44 PM
Double strike, I know I should know this but, if a creature has it and it's first hit kills it does the other strike go through, without having trample ability, or does the block stop it all together

It kills the blocker. And then stops. As only one target is legal. Unless it had trample.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Elitehalo360 on July 19, 2012, 09:18:01 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on July 19, 2012, 09:14:44 PM
Double strike, I know I should know this but, if a creature has it and it's first hit kills it does the other strike go through, without having trample ability, or does the block stop it all together

It kills the blocker. And then stops. As only one target is legal. Unless it had trample.
That's what I thought just wanted to double check ;d
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on July 19, 2012, 09:14:44 PM
Double strike, I know I should know this but, if a creature has it and it's first hit kills it does the other strike go through, without having trample ability, or does the block stop it all together

It kills the blocker. And then stops. As only one target is legal. Unless it had trample.
Target? ???
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 10:01:37 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on July 19, 2012, 09:14:44 PM
Double strike, I know I should know this but, if a creature has it and it's first hit kills it does the other strike go through, without having trample ability, or does the block stop it all together

It kills the blocker. And then stops. As only one target is legal. Unless it had trample.
Target? ???

A blocker is a target, is it not?  Since you have to TARGET a creature to block it.  May not say that in so many words, but it still makes sense. haha
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 10:22:38 PM
Soooo shroud creatures can't block or be blocked?  Targeting has nothing to do with attacking and blocking.  (except for provoke, but that's an ability)
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 10:27:38 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 10:22:38 PM
Soooo shroud creatures can't block or be blocked?  Targeting has nothing to do with attacking and blocking.  (except for provoke, but that's an ability)

Screw that. I'm targeting your creature when I declare blockers so it cannot change.

Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 10:32:11 PM
Assigning =/= targeting.  I get what you're saying, but there is a difference.  Mainly, that otherwise Hexproof creatures would be unblockable.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 10:34:14 PM
Roger that oh all knowing god of magic.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 10:36:44 PM
So you think Hexproof creatures are unblockable?  How long have you been playing for?
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 10:42:30 PM
I didn't say that?

I'm just tired of talking to you.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: scarsabrex on July 19, 2012, 10:44:10 PM
specific terms
target
stack
attacking vs attack
etc.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 10:27:38 PM
Screw that. I'm targeting your creature when I declare blockers so it cannot change.

Well, you're saying that you target a creature to block it.  So if you can't target it, how could you block it?
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 10:56:11 PM
I'm not trying to be a pain here, I just don't want to confuse new players that are reading this.

Why you gotta be like that, Kubes?   ::)
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 10:57:27 PM
Doesn't hexproof say that the creature canny be the target of SPELLS OR ABILITIES the opponent controls?
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: scarsabrex on July 19, 2012, 10:58:31 PM
double strike doesn't target... attacking and blocking do not target.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Gorzo on July 19, 2012, 10:58:41 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on July 19, 2012, 09:14:44 PM
Double strike, I know I should know this but, if a creature has it and it's first hit kills it does the other strike go through, without having trample ability, or does the block stop it all together

It kills the blocker. And then stops. As only one target is legal. Unless it had trample.

Now that I think about it, if the first strike is enough to destroy the blocker, does the second strike not happen? Or would it smack the dead blocker again? For the sake of lifelink.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 10:59:07 PM
Of course, 'cause those are the only times you TARGET things. 
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 11:01:19 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 10:59:07 PM
Of course, 'cause those are the only times you TARGET things.

Get your head out of the book and think outside the box.

If I were going to block someone out of a large group of people. I'm going to choose one by TARGETING them. Lol words don't need to be there to say what it does.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: scarsabrex on July 19, 2012, 11:01:19 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on July 19, 2012, 10:58:41 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on July 19, 2012, 09:14:44 PM
Double strike, I know I should know this but, if a creature has it and it's first hit kills it does the other strike go through, without having trample ability, or does the block stop it all together

It kills the blocker. And then stops. As only one target is legal. Unless it had trample.

Now that I think about it, if the first strike is enough to destroy the blocker, does the second strike not happen? Or would it smack the dead blocker again? For the sake of lifelink.

nope swipe in the air.
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 11:04:11 PM
Quote from: Kuberr on July 19, 2012, 11:01:19 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on July 19, 2012, 10:59:07 PM
Of course, 'cause those are the only times you TARGET things.

Get your head out of the book and think outside the box.

If I were going to block someone out of a large group of people. I'm going to choose one by TARGETING them. Lol words don't need to be there to say what it does.
LOL The game works by the book.  And what's wrong with saying that you CHOOSE one of them?
Title: Re: Double strike
Post by: scarsabrex on July 19, 2012, 11:07:11 PM
Quote from: scarsabrex on July 19, 2012, 10:44:10 PM
specific terms
target
stack
attacking vs attack
etc.

ill repost this