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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Harmon74 on June 13, 2012, 07:34:25 PM

Title: Phantasmal image
Post by: Harmon74 on June 13, 2012, 07:34:25 PM
So, if there is a legendary creature out, and I cast {phantasmal image}, copying the legendary critter.  The real one goes to the graveyard?
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: BlackJester on June 13, 2012, 07:35:32 PM
Both die.
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: Harmon74 on June 13, 2012, 07:36:51 PM
Both die?
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: scarsabrex on June 13, 2012, 07:48:42 PM
yes
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: BlackJester on June 13, 2012, 08:02:36 PM
Since I'm posting sections of the CR:

704.5k If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are on the battlefield, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "legend rule." If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn't apply.
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: Sagemaster on June 13, 2012, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 13, 2012, 08:02:36 PM
Since I'm posting sections of the CR:

704.5k If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are on the battlefield, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "legend rule." If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn't apply.
So why is it that two mickeys can be out (unhallowed and lunarch) but not like garruk relentless and primal hunter?
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: scarsabrex on June 13, 2012, 11:35:43 PM
so why what?
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: Greg54js on June 13, 2012, 11:37:48 PM
Quote from: Sagemaster on June 13, 2012, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on June 13, 2012, 08:02:36 PM
Since I'm posting sections of the CR:

704.5k If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are on the battlefield, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "legend rule." If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn't apply.
So why is it that two mickeys can be out (unhallowed and lunarch) but not like garruk relentless and primal hunter?
Because those two legends have different names. Garruk 2.0 and 3.0 both have the same planeswalker type "garruk" hence they both die. If you put two unhallowed mickeys they both die and the same goes for lunarch.
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: Sagemaster on June 13, 2012, 11:37:58 PM
Quote from: scarsabrex on June 13, 2012, 11:35:43 PM
so why what?
Accidentally hit post :/ modified it
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: scarsabrex on June 13, 2012, 11:39:14 PM
planeswalker rule is different from legend rule.
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: Sagemaster on June 14, 2012, 12:01:03 AM
Ahhh okay thanks! I think that's the second time I asked but I was still confused haha
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: Thorn on June 14, 2012, 02:00:57 AM
Wait how can you kill Thrun the Trollface he has hexproof?
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: Poof on June 14, 2012, 03:12:43 AM
If he's legendary same way just copy him with phantasmal imagage
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: BlackJester on June 14, 2012, 03:15:26 AM
The Image doesn't target what it copies.
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: Elitehalo360 on June 14, 2012, 05:42:12 AM
{sakashima the impostor} gets around the that lil problem :p
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: scarsabrex on June 14, 2012, 11:22:47 AM
sakashima can circumvent legend ruling itself when it etb but a clone card will still legend rule sakashima
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: Deathstorm on June 14, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
What about sakashima student would that work as well or would it get buried if it copies a legend
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: scarsabrex on June 14, 2012, 03:34:32 PM
legend rule would bury it again
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: Gorzo on June 14, 2012, 03:36:04 PM
Quote from: Deathstorm on June 14, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
What about sakashima student would that work as well or would it get buried if it copies a legend

{Sakashima's Student} copies completely, including name and creature type, so it and the legend it copied would both die to the legend rule.

{Sakashima the Imposter} survives because he retains his name, therefor if he copies a legend, there are still not 2 legendaries of the same name on the battlefield, so they live.
Title: Re: Phantasmal image
Post by: scarsabrex on June 14, 2012, 03:38:18 PM
note you can copy the imposter and legend rule it away.