Back in '96 if you needed a card and I had it, but didn't use it. And you had a card that I wanted but didn't need it. As long as the rarity was similar, that was our trade. These days people go look up prices and trade for how much cash a card is worth.
My Question is why do people do this now a days? It never used to be like this, but now I see it's become a disease amongst the "standard" players.
Because too many a holes ripped people off with 1:1 trades. When you know value, it's easier to make trades fair.
Personally, I will throw in things to make trades fair. I hate ripping people off; it makes me feel horrible.
But how would you rip someone off if you trade a card you don't need for a card you do?
There were not as many people who played then.
Cards still had different values then it was more dictated by your local community
There is too much money involved by people who don't care for the game
Quote from: Eneishi on May 19, 2012, 08:01:10 PM
But how would you rip someone off if you trade a card you don't need for a card you do?
Technology. I trade cards I dont need all the time, but I make sure the value is
Equal.
Too many cards that are really valuable vs cards you "need"
Back when I 1st started playing mtg, I bought a pack of legends. I got a {carrion ant}. I had no idea of its worth at the time. A dude asked me if I would trade it. I think I traded it for something that wasn't even worth a 1/4 of it. He knew it, and didn't blink an eye as he ripped me off. Trading for the value of a card is a fair way to trade, and this app helps a lot.
My point being that it's only you that really think you got ripped off.
If I didn't need the card, and would never play it. I didn't consider myself getting ripped off. It had no value to me because I would never use it.
I agree with you there but there are only a limited few cards I think I will never use
I have deck lists in my head that I'm planning to start in the hundreds. It's the follow thru that hurts me.
Quote from: Eneishi on May 19, 2012, 08:25:27 PM
My point being that it's only you that really think you got ripped off.
If I didn't need the card, and would never play it. I didn't consider myself getting ripped off. It had no value to me because I would never use it.
I understand what you are saying. At the time I didn't even understand how usefull, or valuable the card was.
Why should it matter what's its worth?
Why can't it just be what you need and don't need?
It's all about supply and demand, some cards are more in demand with not a lot of supply so people are willing to offer more for that card
Quote from: Eneishi on May 19, 2012, 08:58:17 PM
Why should it matter what's its worth?
Why can't it just be what you need and don't need?
When you mix formats (standard limited etc) its hard to justify {entomb} trade for a {birds of paradise} when one might be what you need vs getting ripped.
Quote from: Willthomjr on May 19, 2012, 09:03:33 PM
Quote from: Eneishi on May 19, 2012, 08:58:17 PM
Why should it matter what's its worth?
Why can't it just be what you need and don't need?
When you mix formats (standard limited etc) its hard to justify {entomb} trade for a {birds of paradise} when one might be what you need vs getting ripped.
You're just not getting my point.
Maybe if you played back then you would understand.
You also have to realize that everyone is different, and no one is trading for the exact same reason as you are. This is just part of human nature, and every single language has an expression for this- in English, it is "to each his own."
If you don't mind trading where you are getting a far less "value" out of the trade and it's okay with you, by all means do what makes you happy. But you should be aware of value and not propose a trade of unbalanced value for the other person unless you KNOW that trader is okay with that kind of deal. They have every right to be mad, because to many people that kind of deal is unfair and you need to respect your fellow player and consider their opinions and preferences when trading.
Money talks. Welcome to the real world.
Since when have they started printing money out of cardboard with demonic pictures? Lmao
Quote from: Eneishi on May 19, 2012, 09:24:26 PM
Since when have they started printing money out of cardboard with demonic pictures? Lmao
Money is sheets of raggy paper with pictures of dead people and pyramids on it, what's your point?
Someone previously compared magic cards to money. Lol
I had to have a laugh at his expense.
Quote from: Eneishi on May 19, 2012, 09:29:05 PM
Someone previously compared magic cards to money. Lol
I had to have a laugh at his expense.
Can't tell if trolling or just really dumb
My point in this whole thread before you came on here to destroy it is that the value of these cards are in the eye of the beholder.
Please don't come on my thread and be ignorant when I would like to have a civilized conversation. :) thanks bud.
Quote from: Gorzo on May 19, 2012, 09:21:45 PM
You also have to realize that everyone is different, and no one is trading for the exact same reason as you are. This is just part of human nature, and every single language has an expression for this- in English, it is "to each his own."
If you don't mind trading where you are getting a far less "value" out of the trade and it's okay with you, by all means do what makes you happy. But you should be aware of value and not propose a trade of unbalanced value for the other person unless you KNOW that trader is okay with that kind of deal. They have every right to be mad, because to many people that kind of deal is unfair and you need to respect your fellow player and consider their opinions and preferences when trading.
Well put.
I think the point here is your value of the card ie: your first mythic v. What everyone else values the card at. A good number of people I know go by the first value
Quote from: Eneishi on May 19, 2012, 09:38:56 PM
My point in this whole thread before you came on here to destroy it is that the value of these cards are in the eye of the beholder.
Please don't come on my thread and be ignorant when I would like to have a civilized conversation. :) thanks bud.
You asked a question, I gave you an answer.
Mtg is a collectable card game. Cards are worth money because of rarity, and usefulness. People buy, sell, and trade cards. Cards are valuable. You can trade any way you want. That's up to you.
I think I understand this guy a little better. And can concede and give example. I started playing wanting only mono red. I pulled a karn liberated in my first week playing and traded it for a Chandra nalaar. The guy I traded with was fair and told me the worth, but I honestly didn't think I wanted to play anything but red. Thus a need trade for a need trade. Not money value. This is what OP talks about. Now I know I could have have sold Karn and bought like 3 Chandras. Case in point, for the money value trades he doesn't understand, you can get more for the money value than the needed aspect. And for some, they can turn around and sell the expensive card you lost.
Am I right OP?
Quote from: Johng4490 on May 19, 2012, 10:00:27 PM
I think I understand this guy a little better. And can concede and give example. I started playing wanting only mono red. I pulled a karn liberated in my first week playing and traded it for a Chandra nalaar. The guy I traded with was fair and told me the worth, but I honestly didn't think I wanted to play anything but red. Thus a need trade for a need trade. Not money value. This is what OP talks about. Now I know I could have have sold Karn and bought like 3 Chandras. Case in point, for the money value trades he doesn't understand, you can get more for the money value than the needed aspect. And for some, they can turn around and sell the expensive card you lost.
Am I right OP?
Thank you. Someone here understands. Haha.
You hit the nail on the head.
Someone mentioned that it's just how I feel about trading, but in 96 to like 2000 no one cared about the money value, but instead the "need" value.
Really in 93 when I started playing there were shops selling singles with a fixed price.
You're talking about shops trying to make money, therefor your point is invalid.
Quote from: Eneishi on May 19, 2012, 09:29:05 PM
Someone previously compared magic cards to money. Lol
I had to have a laugh at his expense.
Really I guess you do not understand economics. Right now these cards can be exchanged for money.
You're missing the point of this conversation. It's about trading. Nothing more. Try to keep up mate.
Quote from: Eneishi on May 19, 2012, 10:28:09 PM
You're missing the point of this conversation. It's about trading. Nothing more. Try to keep up mate.
If its only about trading why does it have worth in the topic also
I love how you can't read.
You should read the first post before posting.
Quote from: Eneishi on May 19, 2012, 10:37:04 PM
I love how you can't read.
You should read the first post before posting.
What you got for trade, and what do you need? You can look at my trade binder and need list.
I guess you cannot follow a conversation. I was responding to the quoted piece. Again I don't know where your from but in 93 where I lived and played cards all hade different values. This is nothing new. People would trade for value then. The reason why people trade for value now is its easy to find the price that 99.99% of the people agree on and use.
You talk about how people look up the value of their cards when trading, and then ask why people do this.
Quote from: Gummuh on May 19, 2012, 10:44:35 PM
You talk about how people look up the value of their cards when trading, and then ask why people do this.
Good job! +1 internetz for you.
I'm trying to figure out how you were old enough to be playing and trading 16 years ago, putting you likely in your early-mid 20s (estimate) yet still today come here and show such disrespect to this community and it's members just for answering the question you asked and sharing their opinions. We have members 12-14 years old who show much more respect and maturity.
Chill, man. People are allowed to disagree. Don't start slinging insults at them.
Well this conversation has degenerated and is completely off from the original topic
Please thank gorzo. :D
Quote from: Eneishi on May 19, 2012, 08:25:27 PM
My point being that it's only you that really think you got ripped off.
If I didn't need the card, and would never play it. I didn't consider myself getting ripped off. It had no value to me because I would never use it.
I agree with you to an extent. I mean I trade for play value most of the time and so do a few of my friends, we never even look up the actual value. I understand both sides of the argument. What I don't understand is what happened to card dealers, when I first started playing, cards being traded were priced at full value, but of you had cash to buy it from a vendor, it was 3/4 value, sometimes even half. When I came back in after innastrad came out I paid 60 bucks for two Garruk, primal hunters, and now much are they worth? I understand economics, but if a vendor has a card that they pulled from a pack, they technically paid 4 dollars for it. If you come to me with cash I'll price it on play value. I sold a sorin of innastrad for 10 bucks when he was at thirty. Ripped off? I don't think so, I'll never use him. But I can see using him as trade fodder.
Heres how i trade to friends and local players ill trade cards with out lookin at prices. But when it comes to the world wide web i make sure i get a fair deal on my cards. Noy cuz im a dick to ppl on the here its cuz i dont want to be the guy everyone comes to, to rip him off. Theres ppl in my town that make a living of magic by trading by cards at low prices and sellong them when they go up. But when it comes to someone i dont know or will nvr see i want full dollar for the card.
Hello Eneishi, and welcome to iMtG, home of the Whooper.
I figured that you might be feeling a little hungry so I'll tell you what. I'll trade you the rest of my ham sandwich which I don't want anymore for the car sitting in your driveway. You're not using it right now anyway, right?
Quote from: BlackJester on May 20, 2012, 12:46:48 AM
Hello Eneishi, and welcome to iMtG, home of the Whooper.
I see figured that you might be feeling a little hungry so I'll tell you what. I'll trade you the rest of my ham sandwich which I don't want anymore for the car sitting in your driveway. You're not using it right now anyway, right?
Well put
Quote from: Eneishi on May 19, 2012, 07:41:48 PM
Back in '96 if you needed a card and I had it, but didn't use it. And you had a card that I wanted but didn't need it. As long as the rarity was similar, that was our trade. These days people go look up prices and trade for how much cash a card is worth.
My Question is why do people do this now a days? It never used to be like this, but now I see it's become a disease amongst the "standard" players.
This is mostly because the prices online often reflect what a card would be sold/traded for in the olden days. As for standard players being nazis about prices, it is because standard cards are constantly changing value. It is only natural that they want to get what they paid for before what they bought isn't worth as much anymore.
Also you must remember that magic was not as fully developed as it is today, so back in the olden days, people couldn't get exact trades even if they wanted to. There was not really official pricings for all the cards like there is today.
There are a lot of other factors, but who cares really. Just trade what you can for stuf f that you want and hopefully both people recieving both ends of the deal will end up happy at the end of the day. As for me, I don't mind a few bucks sliding if I am getting something I need. That's why I save those 4 dollar cards I don't need for those standard players who want exactly their card's TCGPlayer worth in cards.
Man, this argument is being blown out of proportion. We're all a little tired...let's calm down and think about this rationally. Stress balls are on me tonight!
...And so are whoopers! Whoopers all around! ;D
We live in an age if information and that information is readily available to everyone. Back in 96 when I started, this information was not as accessible. I can remember back then trading based on need only but we did not really know, or care, about card prices unless we went to a dealer. Now I have this little smart phone that gives me up to date prices on cards. I have 4 foil {rootbound crags} and have yet to build a R/G deck.....does that mean I am going to trade them for some random priced rares????? No it does not, we have evolved passed those "good ole times" and I am going to trade them based on their value since they are in-fact a tangible product with a monetary value. The trading you speak of may be still done between close friends but I am not giving a stranger or acquaintance an unequal value trade.
Back in the ol' days we had Scry (the magazine, not the ability). It had all of the most recent card prices update monthly. The information was there, just not as up to the minute or accessible, but if I was doing trades, I would carry a copy with me.
Haha scry! I remember that.
My local game store would carry them for when we sold cards, if we did.
Is that even still around?
Quote from: Eneishi on May 20, 2012, 10:58:37 AM
Haha scry! I remember that.
My local game store would carry them for when we sold cards, if we did.
Is that even still around?
I don't think they can compete anymore.
I guess my logic is that I wouldn't trade a five dollar bill for a one dollar bill because I think it looks nicer...