http://mythicspoiler.com/ogw/index.html
speculate away
Dont be rude
Hopefully a new Emmy and a new kozi.
Curious to see how badass Nissa will be
There has to be Emmy and Kozilek!!!
I thought I heard somewhere those two titans left.
That's the running idea, but one could be feeding off the planes core and that's why nissa says the plane is "dying". Like its no longer responding to her calls and pulling the elemental back.
They can always come back
I for one am nervous lol the {U}{R} man land has potential to break modern I'm hoping it's fun a be terrible bc twin doesn't need more help lol
Honestly I feel like the other two titans are searching other planes for food sources. I really hope they get after Innistrad and ravnica because I really want sorin back in this.
A way of giving your creatures Ally.
Quote from: Codester1991 on September 20, 2015, 12:56:36 AM
Honestly I feel like the other two titans are searching other planes for food sources. I really hope they get after Innistrad and ravnica because I really want sorin back in this.
i dont know man. it would be weird if they did 3 blocks in a row concentrated in Eldrazi. Althought it would accomplish their plan of slowing the game
Quote from: Spikepit on September 20, 2015, 10:24:34 AM
A way of giving your creatures Ally.
There's always {conspiracy} :)
Quote from: Taysby on September 20, 2015, 03:11:19 PM
Name for this set should have been attack on Titan. ;). Hopefully there will be an equipment that gives humans reach and +2/+1. XD
Let's hope lol but if they're strong jund and twin become even better
Posting for reference.
Megathreshold, jk jk, was thinking of the remaining fetches
Quote from: imFourth of Phils on October 03, 2015, 12:08:31 PM
Megathreshold, jk jk, was thinking of the remaining fetches
Nono, mega hellbent. Whenever you would discard a card but cannot...
Enemy tango-lands?
Quote from: Kaylesh on October 03, 2015, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: imFourth of Phils on October 03, 2015, 12:08:31 PM
Megathreshold, jk jk, was thinking of the remaining fetches
Nono, mega hellbent. Whenever you would discard a card but cannot...
Enemy tango-lands?
my toughts on megathreshold is because theres ingest that exiles card, so atleast 7 exiled card, it triggers
and yes, maybe new another set of tango lands
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 03, 2015, 07:25:24 PM
Correct. There will -always- be full sets of land in a block now. No more half prints. Maro confirmed that
Source?
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 03, 2015, 09:49:57 PM
Maro? Can somebody find that post of his? He literally said wizards won't be printing any half cycles anymore
Yes I remember that announcement. Then in the very next set they printed half the pain lands. Then reprinted the same half of them a year later. So maybe because those sets had already been confirmed ahead of time that process hadnt come into effect yet. But I'm pretty sure they would be past that point now.
Anyone else feel like the name of this set is goofy. Sounds too much like Gatecrash. Dunno...
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on October 04, 2015, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 03, 2015, 09:49:57 PM
Maro? Can somebody find that post of his? He literally said wizards won't be printing any half cycles anymore
Yes I remember that announcement. Then in the very next set they printed half the pain lands. Then reprinted the same half of them a year later. So maybe because those sets had already been confirmed ahead of time that process hadnt come into effect yet. But I'm pretty sure they would be past that point now.
I think he means incomplete sets of new lands. The pain lands already have a set of ten sprinkled thought out the sets.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the battle-lands we are missing to show up in Innistrad since those are the colors of the dual lands from the original visit to Innistrad.
Quote from: Sdaunce37 on November 10, 2015, 03:03:35 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see the battle-lands we are missing to show up in Innistrad since those are the colors of the dual lands from the original visit to Innistrad.
We did get the enemy checklands in INI, that's true. And with the release of SOI, the fetches will rotate out of standard, checking the power of the enemy duals somewhat.
However, Zendikar is all about land matters, so I'm not sure what is gonna happen.
http://wpn.wizards.com/en/event/prerelease-oath-gatewatch
Oath is all about teamwork, with biggest support for 2HG yet.
Didn't see that coming..
EDIT: sealed will be 4 oath, 2 BFZ.
Quote from: Potticus on November 14, 2015, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: Sdaunce37 on November 10, 2015, 03:03:35 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see the battle-lands we are missing to show up in Innistrad since those are the colors of the dual lands from the original visit to Innistrad.
Wotc specifically said they're done printing half land sets across multiple mtg sets. The battle lands have to be in oaths according to maro.
That changes things. Though MaRo is infamous for his half-thruths (no fetches in BFZ for example), if he said "no" literally, we can assume them to be in OGW.
EVERYONE GO LOOK ON EVAN ERWINS TWITTER (@Misterorange)
New basic???
http://imgur.com/gallery/GS1QI
Anyone seen these?
They're "true colourless mana".
One more
http://imgur.com/gallery/4v8GZae
I hope so, I love that flavour!
There's this link (https://www.facebook.com/magichaven/posts/1081132641905445:0) too!
Not a fan at all of the new lands. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Sorta like pokemon adding fairy types.
i guess you'll probably deal with them like snow lands.. they probably tap for a colorless, but if your cost needs one of those symbols then you gotta use that specific type of mana
Two conspiracy theories:
Wastes is being printed solely to laugh when people have to play evolving wilds to fetch it in standard.
OGW is totally colorless. They did the opposite with Alara Reborn, so why not?
Quote from: Remillo on November 17, 2015, 11:57:53 PM
Two conspiracy theories:
Wastes is being printed solely to laugh when people have to play evolving wilds to fetch it in standard.
OGW is totally colorless. They did the opposite with Alara Reborn, so why not?
Think of the limited format.
Think of the children.
I wonder if we will get "Wasted Duals"?
Something like
Wasted Isle
Basic Land - island
Comes into play untapped if you control another island
{T} add {U} or (💢) to your mana pool
I kinda hate this nonsense
It's going to suck for limited when shops will run out of the colorless lands.... They are full arts like the rest so people will want to collect them. Cool flavor idea but bad logistics idea. Also if they made an official 6th color that means there will be lots more eldrazi and possibly outside of zendikar
Maybe if this became a new permanent thing for magic buts it's only gonna be featured in the last set of the block. Kinda stupid imo
Pokemon style: tap land for diamond....
Quote from: Prplprince on November 18, 2015, 02:26:32 PM
It's going to suck for limited when shops will run out of the colorless lands.... They are full arts like the rest so people will want to collect them. Cool flavor idea but bad logistics idea. Also if they made an official 6th color that means there will be lots more eldrazi and possibly outside of zendikar
My guess is that shops will have to get land stations with just this land for prerelease.
Also I can see this is the only "basic" land in the set. So then every pack will have one.
3rd... If this is the only "basic" land. Fatpacks have 80 of them or min of 20. Sell out again?!?!?
Look at the holiday boxes. Bfz lands, but not full art. Only place to get them.
Quote from: Avnger345 on November 18, 2015, 02:38:47 PM
Quote from: Prplprince on November 18, 2015, 02:26:32 PM
It's going to suck for limited when shops will run out of the colorless lands.... They are full arts like the rest so people will want to collect them. Cool flavor idea but bad logistics idea. Also if they made an official 6th color that means there will be lots more eldrazi and possibly outside of zendikar
My guess is that shops will have to get land stations with just this land for prerelease.
Also I can see this is the only "basic" land in the set. So then every pack will have one.
3rd... If this is the only "basic" land. Fatpacks have 40 of them or min of 20. Sell out again?!?!?
Look at the holiday boxes. Bfz lands, but not full art. Only place to get them.
If they use the only basic land in the set printing that might work. Also the fatpacks would sell out again I can see it now.
I think with the popularity of EDH it will cause a sellout. This will be just one set that would sell this. They could possibly re-release some for commander 2016.
Quote from: Prplprince on November 18, 2015, 02:26:32 PM
Also if they made an official 6th color that means there will be lots more eldrazi and possibly outside of zendikar
Maybe the eldrazi popping up outside zendikar. But I don't think it will be above 30% colorless/devoid in gatewatch. I believe this set is about the planeswalkers beating/ exile the eldrazi from zendikar.
Kinda like the scars block. Lots of mirridion in scars. Then mostly phyrexians in new phyrexia.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 18, 2015, 11:42:10 AM
Yeah. SNOW LANDS WERE OKAY because they're not "official" and all that. Wizards is adding a 6th freaking color. It's like pokemon adding fairy types or yugioh adding Syncros. It's dumb
But they're /not/, as far as it looks. Snow mana had its own symbol, it just didn't appear in any mana costs outside of activated abilities. It's probably an oath-exclusive thing. Maybe.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 18, 2015, 04:26:53 PM
Bro. Foil wastes gonna cost pwards of 50+ calling it now. People who make colorless edh, ALWAYS pimp them out. It's the most difficult way to make an edh, and nothing says I have money and resources and technique than playing a freaking colorless edh. It's like hardcore mode
Depending on how <> is implemented, some colorless EDH people (like me) won't be using it.
And ew foils. Brown border ftw
since its a basic land, colorless edh decks will be able to just run 40 Wastes right?
Just added Mythicspoiler.com/ogw to the first post.
Evan Erwin is taking this as colorless symbol. As in the new kozilek. He costs 8 <><>. 2 of the mana used to cast him must be colorless. So that means you can use 8 mana of any lands plus 2 colorless mana. So you could use the 2 from kozilek channeler since the channeler generates 2 colorless mana. So this is just a basic land that's a 1 colorless. New mana. But not really
Quote from: Avnger345 on November 19, 2015, 02:58:19 AM
Evan Erwin is taking this as colorless symbol. As in the new kozilek. He costs 8 <><>. 2 of the mana used to cast him must be colorless. So that means you can use 8 mana of any lands plus 2 colorless mana. So you could use the 2 from kozilek channeler since the channeler generates 2 colorless mana. So this is just a basic land that's a 1 colorless. New mana. But not really
A symbol for colorless mana to distinct from generic mana does make sense. Lot of errata to be done though.
Barry's Land. They finally found a way to make it functional. Now we can have domain for 6!
So what is the story behind "Barry's land" is Barry an r&D guy?
#colorlessmanamatters
I don't want to planeswalk into this world anymore
Makes sense to me.
{1} is any mana. The new stuff is /colourless/ mana. It's really not that hard to figure out till you have to explain things that tap for {1}.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 24, 2015, 09:37:02 AM
Watch wizards completely flip us all the finger and be like "New Square mana!!!! Enjoy your new colored mana!" And then they do -one- set with it...
<.<
Purple mana
>.>
Quote from: Noblellama on November 24, 2015, 12:47:04 PM
Well {1} can be paid for using <1> but <1> may not nessicarily be paid for with {1} depending on if the {1} was {G} or {R}
HOLY CRAP A USE FOR {KRUPHIX GOD OF ELDRAZI MANA CONVERSION}
OMG, Kruphix knew about the eldrazi, he converts all mana to colorless and he makes sure while your hand doesn't have to discard.... that sneaky bastard...
Yeah, that's quite a useful feature there.
Tap your lands in upkeep, drop Eldrazi + haste enabler first main.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 24, 2015, 11:40:30 AM
I have a gut feeling that they will not errata past colorless lands to tap for -purple-. I think the mana cost will have the specified rule attached, see Phyrexian Mana for example..
I was refering to the purple mana from time spiral. It never made it out of R&D. It was gonna be used as a way to differentiate the alternative timeline stuff. Would have sat between blue and black but was scrapped for some reason i don't remember.
Quote from: Kaylesh on November 24, 2015, 01:00:49 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on November 24, 2015, 12:47:04 PM
Well {1} can be paid for using <1> but <1> may not nessicarily be paid for with {1} depending on if the {1} was {G} or {R}
HOLY CRAP A USE FOR {KRUPHIX GOD OF ELDRAZI MANA CONVERSION}
OMG, Kruphix knew about the eldrazi, he converts all mana to colorless and he makes sure while your hand doesn't have to discard.... that sneaky bastard...
Yeah, that's quite a useful feature there.
Tap your lands in upkeep, drop Eldrazi + haste enabler first main.
Maybe being a prepper in case the day that eldrazi might come to theros he might be able to do something?
That's an interesting thought, popper. What would happen if the Eldrazi were to consume the Nyx? Enchantment creature Eldrazi??
Wonder if they will do what they did with ice age and snow covered lands and leave them in draft packs. If you want that land you have to draft it.
Well, the spoiler cards I saw had C for common as rarity, where basics have L for land. Guessing it's one of the common slots, not by far as frequent as 1 each pack.
I think the waste lands are going to be good. Add something new to the game to spice things up. 😋
And what everyone always wanted: {wasteland}s in standard!!
Possible leak through twitter:
____, Eternal Pilgrim
BW
Legendary Creature - Kor Cleric
Deathtouch
1, Sac another creature: You gain life equal to the sacrifices creature's toughness.
BW, Sac another creature: Exile target nonland permanent. Activate this ability only if you have at least 10 more life than your starting total.
2/3
https://twitter.com/lengthyxemit/status/671870687036895232
2/3 DT for 2 is still nuts. Rest is gravy.
That's some pretty intense flavor. I approve.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 02, 2015, 09:23:33 AM
Ayli is her name, she was on those Uncharted Realms online book things. She worships Ulamog and tries to sacrifice Jace and another guy to him... she's got a pretty cool flavor ability. She sacrifices creatures to Ulamog (for life) and when she has prayed enough to him (your life is 10 more than starting) she performs a ritual to Ulamog and he ends up vaporizing whatever she wants. It's like.. hyper flavor
Damn near the coolest thing I have heard all day
That's awesome flavor right there. I love these little hints on the new set in there. Like with Kozzi being called by Ob, for example.
Nope it's kozi, new uncharted realms just told us.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 02, 2015, 03:43:33 PM
Who hurt you Ob Nixilus.... why are you so cruel. Why would you want to kill so many :-(
Nissa did
Well, in fact, Zendikar did it.
Ob planeswalked to Zendikar and got beaten by the planes raw power. (That's the short synopsis on how he lost his spark at least.)
That, and his Origins story is quite nasty. Tormented by demons, being used as their toy while all around him died.
{Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath} into {Ob Nixilis, the Fallen} into {Ob Nixilis Reignited}.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 02, 2015, 04:48:23 PM
Poor Ob Nixilis...
Now I was thinking that exact same thing..
If life kept throwing me curveballs, I'd probably become {B} too..
Likely {B}{R}{G} then..
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 02, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
Ob Nix just wants friends.. he wasn't trying to hurt anybody he only wanted to reignite the spark from the plane that had snuffed it out.then mean ol' Nissa came and buried him under rocks. That's just not a nice thing to do
Nissa is an elf. Elfses are nassty scheming things. Never nice to poor goblinses..
GIVE ME NAHIRI!
I think it's going to be Drana
I mean you read what happened when she absorbed {sire of stagnation}
She may have drained out, but she said something like she saw things like infinite things or something like a different understanding
Quote from: Kaylesh on November 29, 2015, 10:09:16 PM
Well, the spoiler cards I saw had C for common as rarity, where basics have L for land. Guessing it's one of the common slots, not by far as frequent as 1 each pack.
I've got to correct me on this one. Just cracked some loose FRF, and I pulled gain-lands from the land slot, while they are at C rarity. So, the wastes could be slotted with the other basics in the land slot.
DGM also had mazes in the land slot.
Quote from: griffin131 on December 04, 2015, 08:26:29 AM
DGM also had mazes in the land slot.
Exactly. It's been done before.
On the lore: I finally got to reading the Chandra chapter today. Reaffirms the position of favorite Origins walker pretty well. Lilli has ground to make up in the new INI block..
(Beware: spoilers)
Dig the Kozzi artwork. Did you all notice it doesn't have a card name associated with it? All other art references an existing card.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 03, 2015, 05:21:14 PM
Alright, lets cut to what important
2 Expansion blocks puts into question the way walkers are issued
It used to be 3,2,2 for walkers per expansion
So will it just be 3,2 now? 3,4?
My guess is 3,2 so as to not flood standard with walkers.
I thought it was 5,3,2,2 or 3,2,2,5. But since no core sets who knows. Maybe it will be random depending on the lore and what colors may need a boost.
Quote from: Rass on December 04, 2015, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on December 03, 2015, 05:21:14 PM
Alright, lets cut to what important
2 Expansion blocks puts into question the way walkers are issued
It used to be 3,2,2 for walkers per expansion
So will it just be 3,2 now? 3,4?
My guess is 3,2 so as to not flood standard with walkers.
I thought it was 5,3,2,2 or 3,2,2,5. But since no core sets who knows. Maybe it will be random depending on the lore and what colors may need a boost.
I feel like 3,2 is more likely. Origins was the last core and was focused on the origins of those 5 walkers. We are still kinda in transition as bfz and this next set will be the first "true" two block set with the new rotation design.
Quote from: redwolv on December 05, 2015, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: Rass on December 04, 2015, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on December 03, 2015, 05:21:14 PM
Alright, lets cut to what important
2 Expansion blocks puts into question the way walkers are issued
It used to be 3,2,2 for walkers per expansion
So will it just be 3,2 now? 3,4?
My guess is 3,2 so as to not flood standard with walkers.
I thought it was 5,3,2,2 or 3,2,2,5. But since no core sets who knows. Maybe it will be random depending on the lore and what colors may need a boost.
I feel like 3,2 is more likely. Origins was the last core and was focused on the origins of those 5 walkers. We are still kinda in transition as bfz and this next set will be the first "true" two block set with the new rotation design.
I want to say 3, 2 is the way to go whether they do or don't. I'd rather have 2 good walkers then one really good one and two that aren't up to par
What about that mystic Gate expedition I don't know how to attach a picture
Now(hopefully) it is easier to tell the difference between generic and colorless mana
Correct.
Best. Day. Ever.
{1} is anything, <> is colourless, as far as casting goes. For producing {1} = <>
Anything that produces
"Non-colored mana" produces colorless mana
Quote from: bravado883 on December 08, 2015, 11:34:28 AM
Saw this on mtgsalvation.com:
Mina & Denn, Wildborn--2{R}{G}
Legendary Creature - Elf Ally
You may play an additional land during each of your turns.
{R}{G}, Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Target creature gains trample until end of turn.
4/4
Seems sweet. Also, looking at the discussions about the <> on the forums, it's amazing how confused this is making people. Makes me extra glad WotC is doing this, since it seems like a lot of folks don't understand the difference between colorless and generic mana.
Wow looks so broken??
Isn't the difference
Generic - mana of any source
Colorless - mana that has no color source
Now I've confused myself
Can generic mana be produced from a source with no color and still be colorless
Or is colorless a new color source and only colorless producers produce colorless
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on December 08, 2015, 11:59:19 AM
Now I've confused myself
Can generic mana be produced from a source with no color and still be colorless
Or is colorless a new color source and only colorless producers produce colorless
Try thinking of the new basics as basic islands. Work the exact same way i imagine
This set should have been released April 1st.
That's what I'm saying, obviously wastes makes specifically colored mana (colorless)
For colorless costs.
My real question is does generic mana count as colorless
Like because it isn't colored does that automatically make it colorless by default or
There's a colorless 1 (new color)
And colorless (generic lol) which is the {1} we all know and love
Like colors can be generic but generic can't be colored
So by that equation
Generic can't be nu-colorless
And then artifacts are based on generic not colorless, and therefore things like {sol ring} still produce true generic mana not colorless
A source never produces "generic" mana. Mana is colored or colorless.
The generic mana in the casting cost can be paid with any type of mana.
That's the difference. Both are (for now) depicted with the same symbol {1}, but that symbol means two different things.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 08, 2015, 01:54:24 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 08, 2015, 01:10:29 PM
Is the mama in your pool specifically red black white green or blue?
My mama is so big, she can fill in two pips.
- {Sol ring}
Taysby's Racial quote of the day...
The mama in my pool is white Taysby, and she is a hottie ;)
Quote from: Noblellama on December 08, 2015, 02:20:02 PM
Yo mama jokes are so big that they always involve ramp...
That joke had so much reach it could block flyers
Quote from: Noblellama on December 08, 2015, 06:40:22 PM
Quote from: General Kiwi on December 08, 2015, 06:15:13 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on December 08, 2015, 02:20:02 PM
Yo mama jokes are so big that they always involve ramp...
That joke had so much reach it could block flyers
it has so much to swing with it should have trample....
that joke is so two sided its got double strike...
YEAH!!!!!! Go llama go
My two favorite legendaries.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 09, 2015, 02:36:13 PM
So Kiora managaed to summon {Lorthos The tidemaker} and new Kozi 1-shotted him...
seriously, like, she wakes up lorthos, he opens his eye, she summons him, he appears, they approach the shore, they go to attack Ulamog's butt and Kozilek rises and like a sushi chef with fresh octopus *BAM* Lorthos Spring Rolls
That's depressing
Quote from: Dreww on December 10, 2015, 06:39:47 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on December 10, 2015, 06:34:11 AM
Quote from: Taysby on December 09, 2015, 06:49:34 PM
Focus on the set
Speculation:
No reprint of Lorthos...
;)
A blue black zombie lorthos with devoid?
The black walker for the set is Ob, who doesn't do reanimation. If Kiora would not have gone emo but berserk, picking up RB and becoming the first 4C walker, able to get seamonsters out of the yard, I'd dig it. Now, not so much. Lorthos is gone. Ob and Nissa duke it out in the next episode, with Ob fleeing for Inistrad (speculation), then Nissa empowers the land to rise up and be eaten.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 10, 2015, 10:31:38 AM
Another Ob Nixilis though? I could see a new nissa, but another Ob in the same block sounds a little weird to me.. maybe nissa and then chandra, or perhaps nihiri
I don't think he'll be printed again, but he is the blocks black walker. Of the four oath walkers Gideon already has a card in standard, I'm thinking the other three will get cards.
Kozilek and Wastes confirmed. C is the official Shorthand for Colorless, and it's confirmed that they're just making the split between Colorless Mana and Generic Mana more explicit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/3wdtug/the_kozilek_wastes_and_colorless_mana_faq/
I am surprisingly okay with this. My previous stance was that adding a sixth land type was dumb, but that's not really what they did so i'm okay.
Also, our first of the Two-Headed Giant-friendly Spoilers!
Surge is a new mechanic, kinda like Prowl, where you can get additional effects for paying the Surge Cost. HOWEVER, you can only pay the surge cost if you or a teammate have cast another spell that turn.
http://www.mythicspoiler.com/ogw/cards/crushoftentacles.html
Crush of Tentacles
4UU
Sorcery
Surge 3UU (You may cast this spell for its surge cost if you or a teammate has cast another spell this turn.)
Return all nonland permanents to their owners' hands. If Crush of Tentacle's surge cost was paid, put an 8/8 blue Octopus creature token onto the battlefield.
Nice. String it with {ponder} or another cantrip for a strictly better card. And since it checks cast, you can't prevent it triggering.
The spell itself seems nice in a control deck any way. A more expensive {evacuation} that takes all non-land permanents instead of just creatures. I can see it work in future standard, when Khans/Fate rotates. You don't want to bounce Rhinos.
As a not THG player, would be bummed to pull that at Mythic. Not really my style to start though. Not a blue control player. Would have liked to see a mechanic best in THG, but otherwise achievable.
Quote from: Johng4490 on December 12, 2015, 01:37:02 PM
As a not THG player, would be bummed to pull that at Mythic. Not really my style to start though. Not a blue control player. Would have liked to see a mechanic best in THG, but otherwise achievable.
You still can. You OR a teammate.
Quote from: bravado883 on December 12, 2015, 07:24:03 PM
{Evacuation} is an instant. This is cool, but would still generally rather have {Cyclonic Rift} or the like. That being said with WotC being instant-phobic recently this is almost definitely standard-playable.
EDIT: Actually, Remillo, question. Does this work like Miracles; i.e. if you satisfy the condition it ignores timing restrictions? If I cast something on my opponent's turn can I cast this using its Surge cost? It has similar wording to Miracle, so got me wondering...
It seems I misremembered. I thought it was a {2}{U}{U} sorcery. I remember it as being a blue wrath, turns out that's wrong..
On the ruling: as it is worded, it says you may cast it if you cast another spell, so that could point to timing restrictions being ignored. That's pure speculation though, last time I was corrected by the release notes.
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 12, 2015, 01:57:53 PM
Quote from: Johng4490 on December 12, 2015, 01:37:02 PM
As a not THG player, would be bummed to pull that at Mythic. Not really my style to start though. Not a blue control player. Would have liked to see a mechanic best in THG, but otherwise achievable.
You still can. You OR a teammate.
Misread. Hm. Still not my fav mythic, but ok.
new expeds, {Ancient Tomb} and {Forbidden Orchard}
Mystic gate is on the spoiler page. So ten should be the filter lands.
And the other five tango. Since they said he didn't want to do half print. Then that's all 15
Quote from: Noblellama on December 13, 2015, 10:17:25 AM
Quote from: imFourth of Phils on December 13, 2015, 09:53:16 AM
new expeds, {Ancient Tomb} and {Forbidden Orchard}
Link?
im sorry, not yet in mythicspoiler, i just saw posts in MTG international group and in local mtg group
Quote from: imFourth of Phils on December 13, 2015, 09:53:16 AM
new expeds, {Ancient Tomb} and {Forbidden Orchard}
They are up on mythic spoiler now. I'm surprised.
Sorta disappointed in the leak. This should have been paced. Content is cool though!
Quote from: bravado883 on December 13, 2015, 11:28:38 PM
Indeed. Early spoilers are bittersweet for me since they detract from actual spoiler season, but I'm still like nom nom nom.
I like these choices. Outside of {Wasteland} and {Horizon Canopy}, most of the other cards are either pretty easy to come by or are one/two-ofs in only a few decks. These are sweet bonus cards, but I don't see people lining up to buy cases for these Expeditions. On the other hand, I want a bunch of these, in my decks, yesterday.
I'm not so sure. People bought worldwake and futuresight for one card. I can see people cracking cases for the Wasteland. (Even though it would be cheaper to just buy them)
So, with these expeditions not turning up enemy colored battle lands...
I think the Battle Land cycle will be finished in Shadows because they don't want ACTUAL perfect mana with fetches in the format.
Would not mind opening a horizon canopy or two
{urza's rage}?? That seems really weird. If he were to make an appearance I would expect a planeswalker too.
I do like the Chandra though.
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 14, 2015, 03:12:06 AM
{urza's rage}?? That seems really weird. If he were to make an appearance I would expect a planeswalker too.
I do like the Chandra though.
Please no Walker Urza... UNless he is a 0 drop, 500 starting loyalty +10 win the game
Quote from: blackychan1 on December 14, 2015, 05:34:39 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 14, 2015, 03:12:06 AM
{urza's rage}?? That seems really weird. If he were to make an appearance I would expect a planeswalker too.
I do like the Chandra though.
Please no Walker Urza... UNless he is a 0 drop, 500 starting loyalty +10 win the game
I'm not in favor of walker Urza, it's just that the first card was Rage.
The new expedition land pics IMO are horrible. Good cards, horrible artwork.. But that's my opinion
I thought only 15 expidition lands this set. Looks like they alread have 6 non filter lands. I'm confused.
Surprised with how many valuable lands are here.
Thought mythic spoiler was pretty good about no fakes. I thought it was gonna be the ten filter lands and five tango/double checks.
Yes but they have 6 in that frame that are not filter lands.
New spoilers. Most/all are mythics. Chandra and nissa are both there.
She's nice but mana expensive.
Temporary 3/1s without trample are pretty underwhelming...her -X is solid but pretty counterproductive in mono red. I could see her in control builds, but is she worth the mana? I don't think so.
Nissa looks okay in landfall. But flip Walker is better IMO! Underwhelmed.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on December 14, 2015, 05:09:40 PM
Temporary 3/1s without trample are pretty underwhelming...her -X is solid but pretty counterproductive in mono red. I could see her in control builds, but is she worth the mana? I don't think so.
Nissa looks okay in landfall. But flip Walker is better IMO! Underwhelmed.
I fully agree. The -0 is solid on Chandra. I see me using that most of the time in hopes of hitting the 1 more burn spell
Quote from: Noblellama on December 15, 2015, 10:38:56 AM
Why is no one talking about Kalitas?
Finally. Zombies and vampires working in EDH harmony.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 15, 2015, 10:38:56 AM
Why is no one talking about Kalitas?
I can't speak for others, but for me, I'm overwhelmed into numbness due to the amount of leak. I just don't know what is legit anymore, so I hold out until Wizards gets their spoiling together.
Meh
Kalitas seems boring for standard, maybe an aristocrats win con or win more con
I see edh flavor more than anything, but cards so far: it's the expeditions that seem like the whole reason to buy the set
I don't like that this is wotc's strat: give us a weak set, with lack of any real eternal playables & insert chase cards to hype buying. Everything in standard except for ugin, Gideon, Jace, nissa and the fetches is under $8. Seems weak for EV of boxes with this current strat, you're best off either figuring out your deck before rotation and buying the cards or collect cards by playing limited. Boxes seem like s bigger gamble now; before they felt like a pretty standard win with good pulls, now we get 3-8 playables and the rest is constructed (non edh) trash
The goal is to bring the speed of standard down. That means you'll automatically get less eternal playable cards. To keep selling packs, the chase cards have to be hype things, like the expeditions in this block.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 15, 2015, 01:10:21 PM
Now, how much did the inflation from opening so many boxes for those fetch cards end up dropping price though?
That's secondary market. It doesn't hurt Wizards. Another thing you see happening is more competitive cards at Mythic (according to mtggoldfish that is). Mythic competitive card = more packs cracked to meet singles demand = increased revenue for WotC
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 15, 2015, 01:10:21 PM
Now, how much did the inflation from opening so many boxes for those fetch cards end up dropping price though?
Well
Scalding tarn was 350-450 originally as expedition
But I primarily look at format staples
Ktk had many great cards drop in price due to fetches overwhelming demand
But even Ktk had higher prices till about December, compared with bfz, basically you wanna open a Gideon, but other than that you're banking for an expedition. Everything else is pretty much bulk
Remember when dig was $15??! Rhino was $10!
Sarkhan and Sorin were above $15 too
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 15, 2015, 01:09:36 PM
The goal is to bring the speed of standard down. That means you'll automatically get less eternal playable cards. To keep selling packs, the chase cards have to be hype things, like the expeditions in this block.
I definitely began to notice that speed change with dtk and felt more confirmed with bfz and all those more expensive cards that do exactly the same thing as predecessors just a block ago. Now with oath, the tapped dual lands in the uncommon slot that don't do anything else? Come on! At least the khans ones you gained 1 life and they were common.
The lands in oath I really like are the one with the {springleaf drum} ability, and the waste with the ETB add one of any mana. Common too! I feel like a foil of the latter one will have some decent value.
The big leak slowed things down. We got too many at once, says maro.
Are they all true?
Wizards needs to learn to keep their info shut tighter
You can't preview a magic card to a group of geeks and not expect someone to blab away
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 23, 2015, 02:20:04 PM
Wizards needs to learn to keep their info shut tighter
You can't preview a magic card to a group of geeks and not expect someone to blab away
You assume it wasn't kept tight or that it was Wizards' fault.
It might have been from their printers.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 28, 2015, 03:18:47 PM
Ok, so {Stone Haven Outfitters} just broke {Skullclamp} even more...
Nah, it gives the creature +1/+1, which negates skullclamps ability to kill immediately!
{Razorfin Hunter} already took merfolk to red in apocalypse.
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 28, 2015, 06:23:36 PM
{Razorfin Hunter} already took merfolk to red in apocalypse.
In a way, so did {Whirlpool Warrior}
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 28, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
The new Izzet legendary seems interesting definitely not a solid commander but a pretty sweet "one of the 99" for an izzet deck. Also, it's a red/blue merfolk so that's cool. Tribal leader.... making merfolk the 4th creature type besides goblin, spirit and human to be in all 5 colors
I feel like there is more than 4 as well, warrior is one off the top of my head as well
Eldrazi Mimic
2
Creature - Eldrazi
Whenever another colorless creature enters the battlfield under your control, you may have the base power and toughness of Eldrazi Mimic become that creature's power and toughness until end of turn.
2/1
I think I like it.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 29, 2015, 03:23:41 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 29, 2015, 03:12:50 PM
Eldrazi Mimic
2
Creature - Eldrazi
Whenever another colorless creature enters the battlfield under your control, you may have the base power and toughness of Eldrazi Mimic become that creature's power and toughness until end of turn.
2/1
I think I like it.
yes, I don't mind paying {2} as I play a {Desolation Twin} so I can have 3 10/10s...
At the very least it can be a destruction magnet for the threat it could become while sitting on the board.
{twin bolt} that thing in advance or at the last in response of the trigger.
Just realized. It's a strictly better bronze sable.
Both {2} for a 2/1, this one just has the ability to become huge.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 29, 2015, 06:19:25 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 29, 2015, 05:31:13 PM
...a strictly better bronze sable...
"I have spread my dreams under your feet.
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams."
- Sean Bean
― W.B. Yeats
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Quote from: Noblellama on December 30, 2015, 03:22:13 PM
New Linvala will be a great limited bomb
potentially a 5/5 flyer, 3/3 flyer, and gain 5 life for {4}{W}{W}
worst case a 5/5 flyer for {4}{W}{W}
It's like a {timely reinforcements}, only more beat-y.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 30, 2015, 04:24:29 PM
I'm really happy that almost every egendary from the zendikar block was brought back and updated. Drana, Kalitas, Linvala.. Iona is next
Imagine "Iona, the Traitorous"
Players cannot play any colored spells
That would be a new candidate for the EDH ban list. Mono white full artifact.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 30, 2015, 04:24:29 PM
I'm really happy that almost every egendary from the zendikar block was brought back and updated. Drana, Kalitas, Linvala.. Iona is next
Imagine "Iona, the Traitorous"
Players cannot play any colored spells
oh god yuck! But I like it! Totally fits! She'd have one of those {dominator drone}s stuck on her head I reckon.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 30, 2015, 08:57:52 AM
New spell says spend {2}{W} and go tudor a planeswalker to your hand
Hello edh superfriends new bff.
Llama glossed over something important.
(http://i.imgur.com/c5R3fpf.jpg)
GENERAL TAZRI IS A FIVE COLOR LEGENDARY ALLY. SHE ENABLES FIVE COLOR ALLY EDH.
Pro mtgfinance tip, pick up all of the foil Tazris you find.
Wizards, pls reprint {Oath of Druids} I want to play Oath Eldrazi.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 31, 2015, 02:11:00 PM
FUN
Deceiver of Form
{6}<>
8/8 Eldrazi
At the beginning of combat on your turn, reveal the top card of your library, if its a creature you may have all creatures other than the deceiver become copies of that card until end of turn. You may put that card on bottom of library.
So many fun things to do!!!
The MAY is so nice too. Flip an Ulamog, no worries, just decide not to. Bit expensive to use as finisher in a token swarm, except for scion tokens that is.
{Stoneforge Masterwork}.... :D
Super friends is getting some love. <3
Guys can you correct me because I'm sure there's an explanation, but I feel like Oath of Nissa shouldn't be green? The look at the first three cards bit is green, but I feel like the use mana as though it were any colour is a blue thing? This could have been Oath of Kiora to me...
Quote from: Noblellama on January 04, 2016, 09:05:16 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on January 04, 2016, 08:10:58 AM
Guys can you correct me because I'm sure there's an explanation, but I feel like Oath of Nissa shouldn't be green? The look at the first three cards bit is green, but I feel like the use mana as though it were any colour is a blue thing? This could have been Oath of Kiora to me...
Greenusually makes lands produce any color or become all types, the wording on this does seem a bit odd, but Nissa is green so her oath must be also.
Maybe Kiora gets her arrogant little butt/tail killed...
It was the wording that did it.Yes, the petulant must smoten.
Quote from: Noblellama on January 04, 2016, 09:05:16 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on January 04, 2016, 08:10:58 AM
Guys can you correct me because I'm sure there's an explanation, but I feel like Oath of Nissa shouldn't be green? The look at the first three cards bit is green, but I feel like the use mana as though it were any colour is a blue thing? This could have been Oath of Kiora to me...
Greenusually makes lands produce any color or become all types, the wording on this does seem a bit odd, but Nissa is green so her oath must be also.
Maybe Kiora gets her arrogant little butt/tail killed...
the only thing i disagree with here is "little butt"
Quote from: Noblellama on January 04, 2016, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: mickeven on January 04, 2016, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on January 04, 2016, 09:05:16 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on January 04, 2016, 08:10:58 AM
Guys can you correct me because I'm sure there's an explanation, but I feel like Oath of Nissa shouldn't be green? The look at the first three cards bit is green, but I feel like the use mana as though it were any colour is a blue thing? This could have been Oath of Kiora to me...
Greenusually makes lands produce any color or become all types, the wording on this does seem a bit odd, but Nissa is green so her oath must be also.
Maybe Kiora gets her arrogant Kardashian butt/tail killed...
the only thing i disagree with here is "little butt"
Fixed
i now agree with every part of this
uh....uncommon guildgates??!
With all these Oath spoilers out right now, is it safe to say that Emmy is the shadow over innistad or do we still have a chance of seeing her in Oath?
Quote from: Noblellama on January 05, 2016, 01:30:51 PM
Shadow
I don't think with 7 Legends and 4 Legendary Enchantments already in the set that it would be wise to squeeze another.
With the spoiler on "Fall of the Titans", it would seem we don't get Emmy.
"As Gideon kept the brood at bay, Chandra incinerated the bound Titans" with just the two Titans in the art.
It would seem Chandra will save the day by massive ball of fire..
Would almost forget the rules text:
XXR, deal X to up to two target creatures/players. Surge XR.
As a red player, I like the return of {Fireball}.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 06, 2016, 01:35:19 PM
Calling it now.
1R
DEAL 3 DAMAGE TO TARGET CREATURE OR PLAYER
Surge: R
It'll happen
As long as Modern is ready to welcome their new Burn overlords...
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 06, 2016, 01:35:19 PM
Calling it now.
1R
DEAL 3 DAMAGE TO TARGET CREATURE OR PLAYER
Surge: R
It'll happen
I see a cycle: all surge 1 of their respective colors.
Blue draws cards
White gains life
Black adds mana
Green boosts a creature
Red deals damage.
;)
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 06, 2016, 02:53:20 PM
Hahahahaha hopefully it's not as broken as the original cycle
What was so broken about {Healing Salve} and {Giant Growth}?? Lol
uncommon exile counter spell better than rare counterspell - wtf
I'm assuming that's the one I can't read? What is it?
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on January 06, 2016, 07:38:52 PM
I'm assuming that's the one I can't read? What is it?
basically Devoid {dissipate}.
i really like {Warping Wail} also
I'm not positive but I think I'm mainboarding 2-3 {Warping Wail} in my RG Tron list ....
1. Stops Twin
2. Stops Infect
3. Stops Scapeshift
4. (Most importantly) it makes a bloody SCION!
But seriously that card is dope
Quote from: Noblellama on January 04, 2016, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: mickeven on January 04, 2016, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on January 04, 2016, 09:05:16 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on January 04, 2016, 08:10:58 AM
Guys can you correct me because I'm sure there's an explanation, but I feel like Oath of Nissa shouldn't be green? The look at the first three cards bit is green, but I feel like the use mana as though it were any colour is a blue thing? This could have been Oath of Kiora to me...
Greenusually makes lands produce any color or become all types, the wording on this does seem a bit odd, but Nissa is green so her oath must be also.
Maybe Kiora gets her arrogant Kardashian butt/tail killed...
the only thing i disagree with here is "little butt"
Fixed
That ass though... 😎👍
What is the seal on the ground in this card? Kinda looks like the seal for the Klingon Empire...
https://twitter.com/mtgsalvation/status/685128631593615360
Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 07, 2016, 11:06:58 AM
What is the seal on the ground in this card? Kinda looks like the seal for the Klingon Empire...
https://twitter.com/mtgsalvation/status/685128631593615360
Definitely has a Klingon look about it.
What disturbs me even more is the reminder text on what types of mana there are.
What's next, reminder text on all evergreen abilities?
Come on, we have the rules for a reason.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 07, 2016, 11:43:38 AM
The reason why they have that reminder text is that cards of this type...adding extra mana and whatnot almost always say "add one of that color" and sick colorless is now an option I believe they want to sort of distinguish what they mean by "of that type" I could be wrong though
{dictate of Karametra} (for reference) also mentions type, as does {extra planar lens}.
Never was a big fan of reminder text, yet I could see the appeal to new players as well.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 08, 2016, 10:43:13 AM
Captains claws: 2 mana. Equip 1. When equipped attacks. Put a 1/1 Kor ally on the battlefield tapped and attacking. Super super super awesome for getting those "allies gain lifelink and indestructible" type of bonus. Awesome
Also, Cohort sucks. Tapping down two creatures for borderline playable abilities is just never fun
The claws are definitely gonna help in reliably getting those Rally abilities. Just too late for the vigilance one to matter, but for the rest it's awesome.
Edit: also unstickied, as full set has been spoilt.
Quote from: Noblellama on January 08, 2016, 01:16:19 PM
The claws are less for the {W} ally decks than they are for the {G} ones that get bigger
Or get indestructible and first strike, or drain people in the case of {B}. And that's even before considering Ally EDH. All those triggers every turn.
Oath of Jace but no new Jace? what gives?
Quote from: mickeven on January 08, 2016, 02:24:55 PM
Oath of Jace but no new Jace? what gives?
There are already so many jaces? But honestly look at the current meta. Ori-jace is dominant. And blue is a very strong color right now. And another "good" jace would make blue that much better and if they made a rather lame one, everyone would complain.
Dude that captains claws
Cuz it don't kill rhino
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 08, 2016, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 08, 2016, 09:16:53 PM
Cuz it don't kill rhino
but it kills every other freaking thing. I'm so sick of hearing about that stupid rhino. It's going to be gone in a couple months....
{Tasigur, the Golden Fang}
{Gurmag Angler}
{Silumgar the Drifting Death}
{Dragonlord Atarka}
;) lol
{Grasp of darkness} reprint confuses me. They printed {lash of the whip} because grasp of darkness was too powerful for a 2 drop in standard only to reprint it like 2 years later :S
2 years ago this card called {Pack Rat} was legal and giving that Mono B deck Grasp might've made it even more OP
Actually, rotation isn't until Inistrad releases in April. This is set two of block 3, with block 1 being KTK/FRF and block 2 being DTK/ORI.
Once block 4 set 1 (Shadows Over Inistrad) releases, block 1 rotates.
EDIT: I missed a post. Carry on.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 07, 2016, 11:06:58 AM
What is the seal on the ground in this card? Kinda looks like the seal for the Klingon Empire...
https://twitter.com/mtgsalvation/status/685128631593615360
It's Nissa's Oath Seal.
MTGphilosopher originally brought this to my attention, but the flavor win is so great, I have to share it here as well. Check the background on {world breaker}...
Quote from: Noblellama on January 11, 2016, 06:12:58 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on January 11, 2016, 04:35:37 AM
MTGphilosopher originally brought this to my attention, but the flavor win is so great, I have to share it here as well. Check the background on {world breaker}...
Well I'm shocked...
What's the flavor win? Isn't it just a {Hallowed Fountain} in the back?
Selesnya got the new Nissa.
1 (shitty) mythic ^^
Quote from: Mattao19 on January 11, 2016, 11:19:38 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on January 11, 2016, 06:12:58 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on January 11, 2016, 04:35:37 AM
MTGphilosopher originally brought this to my attention, but the flavor win is so great, I have to share it here as well. Check the background on {world breaker}...
Well I'm shocked...
What's the flavor win? Isn't it just a {Hallowed Fountain} in the back?
Yup. And when you cast it, you can exile a land..