So, with the next update to the banning list coming next Monday. Does anyone have any speculations as to what may be banned or unbanned?
{summer bloom}, {dig through time}.
Quote from: particle on July 07, 2015, 02:52:41 AM
{summer bloom}, {dig through time}.
I hope Dig is unbanned...probably my favorite card in KtK
Pod gets better with literally every release.
Twin doesn't.
Pod inhibits design. Yes, ban pod.
Ban Dig in Legacy.
Im actually hoping {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} gets unbanned...spice things up a bit.
I'd ban:
{Nourishing Shoal} hurts the Griz Daddy decks enough so they can't really win T2 but still makes them playable.
{Sumer Bloom} maybe but idk
Unbanning:
Can go 1 of 2 ways they can unban a lot in hopes to make modern more powerful. So in that case unban:
{Bloodbraid Elf}
{Punishing Fire} having played the combo with Grove it's not the oppressive. But if they unban BBE they shouldn't unban PF bc Punishing Jund would be ok but I wouldn't mind one or the other though.
{Jace the Mind Sculptor}
{Ancestral Visions} bc Dig is too OP even in modern. AV is very powerful but it can help balance out the damage that BBE has done.
Lastly idk anymore bc Elves has been uber popular but {Green Sun Zenith} sure the T1 {Dryad Arbor} play is great but where else does it become OP in my eyes it's a lot like chord of calling just sorcery and. 2 less mana
Or the Other way where they don't unban anything (let's hope that's not the case bc we all love some spice!)
I had a dream that Snapcaster and summer bloom were banned. Sticking with that, however irrational that may be.
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 07, 2015, 10:39:59 AM
I had a dream that Snapcaster and summer bloom were banned. Sticking with that, however irrational that may be.
{Snapcaster Mage} crossed my mind as a potential ban...I'm hoping not though
Quote from: Estel2931 on July 07, 2015, 10:42:07 AM
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 07, 2015, 10:39:59 AM
I had a dream that Snapcaster and summer bloom were banned. Sticking with that, however irrational that may be.
{Snapcaster Mage} crossed my mind as a potential ban...I'm hoping not though
Snapcaster isn't format warping or defining. It's just a good value creature. They'd be crazy to ban it.
I personally would like to see summer bloom and splinter twin banned. And I would like to see bbe and jace unbanned. Just wishful thinking though.
If the want to slow down {Griselbrand} they should ban {Goryo's Vengance}, forcing the deck to use {Footsteps of the Goryo}.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 07, 2015, 04:01:24 PM
If the want to slow down {Griselbrand} they should ban {Goryo's Vengance}, forcing the deck to use {Footsteps of the Goryo}.
We want to slow it down not make it unplayabe
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 07, 2015, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 07, 2015, 04:01:24 PM
If the want to slow down {Griselbrand} they should ban {Goryo's Vengance}, forcing the deck to use {Footsteps of the Goryo}.
We want to slow it down not make it unplayabe
I play the deck. It needs {Nourishing Shoal}. It can afford to win via {Through the Breach}, one extra mana won't kill it.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 07, 2015, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 07, 2015, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 07, 2015, 04:01:24 PM
If the want to slow down {Griselbrand} they should ban {Goryo's Vengance}, forcing the deck to use {Footsteps of the Goryo}.
We want to slow it down not make it unplayabe
I play the deck. It needs {Nourishing Shoal}. It can afford to win via {Through the Breach}, one extra mana won't kill it.
One more mana, not having a splice cost, being a sorcery, and not giving haste will make it unplayable however.
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 07, 2015, 05:37:15 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 07, 2015, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 07, 2015, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 07, 2015, 04:01:24 PM
If the want to slow down {Griselbrand} they should ban {Goryo's Vengance}, forcing the deck to use {Footsteps of the Goryo}.
We want to slow it down not make it unplayabe
I play the deck. It needs {Nourishing Shoal}. It can afford to win via {Through the Breach}, one extra mana won't kill it.
One more mana, not having a splice cost, being a sorcery, and not giving haste will make it unplayable however.
Possibly. But I think it's doable. Idk. I just get really bad draws so I really need {Nourishing Shoal} to let me finish the combo.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 07, 2015, 04:01:24 PM
If the want to slow down {Griselbrand} they should ban {Goryo's Vengance}, forcing the deck to use {Footsteps of the Goryo}.
It wouldn't work with footsteps
Quote from: Munchlax on July 08, 2015, 12:08:37 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 07, 2015, 04:01:24 PM
If the want to slow down {Griselbrand} they should ban {Goryo's Vengance}, forcing the deck to use {Footsteps of the Goryo}.
It wouldn't work with footsteps
Why not?
It would work but it'd be unplayable bc no haste is such a huge loss also not instant speed sucks
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 08, 2015, 02:49:15 PM
It would work but it'd be unplayable bc no haste is such a huge loss also not instant speed sucks
Also it dies at end of turn therefore no damage to opponent. Kinda pointless. Sure you can draw seven and lose seven life buuuut that's pretty crappy.
Quote from: ConanEdo on July 08, 2015, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on July 08, 2015, 12:44:34 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 08, 2015, 12:26:17 PM
It's weird how a deck emerges and then BAM. They ban a piece of it. Looking at how wizards bans the cornerstone of many decks, I believe Griselbrand will be banned next from that deck, not the other two cards or the shoal.
But he is already banned in commander :(
How am I supposed to use him if everyone keep banning him :'(
Legacy reanimator
Also, one more, unban {Black Vise}! >:3
What caused black vise to be banned?
Quote from: Codester1991 on July 08, 2015, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on July 08, 2015, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on July 08, 2015, 12:44:34 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 08, 2015, 12:26:17 PM
It's weird how a deck emerges and then BAM. They ban a piece of it. Looking at how wizards bans the cornerstone of many decks, I believe Griselbrand will be banned next from that deck, not the other two cards or the shoal.
But he is already banned in commander :(
How am I supposed to use him if everyone keep banning him :'(
Legacy reanimator
Also, one more, unban {Black Vise}! >:3
What caused black vise to be banned?
Well t1 {Lightning Bolt} + additional value every turn...or is there a combo/deck?
Doesn't seem that oppressive.
T1 dark ritual, lay 3 Bv down, opponent takes 9 damage first turn.
I'm sure you can get 4 down also t1
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on July 08, 2015, 06:03:02 PM
T1 dark ritual, lay 3 Bv down, opponent takes 9 damage first turn.
I'm sure you can get 4 down also t1
Draw chance of highly unlikely. Not the nastiest thing seen in Legacy.
I'm sure someone else knows the real banning reason but that's a very oppressive card
Watch wizards throw a curve and ban {Pact of Negation} to stop the {hive mind} kill from being ultimate
They seem to ban cards that allow a type of deck to get cray and take up 40%+ of meta
The reason vise was banned was back in 1997, the format was way slower... Like a snail would move faster.
Nowadays, it wouldn't be as bad
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 08, 2015, 07:44:11 PM
The reason vise was banned was back in 1997, the format was way slower... Like a snail would move faster.
Nowadays, it wouldn't be as bad
I'm still fearful about it bc burn would get a lot better but Idk if it's oppressive enough to be banned
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on July 08, 2015, 06:03:02 PM
T1 dark ritual, lay 3 Bv down, opponent takes 9 damage first turn.
I'm sure you can get 4 down also t1
This is not any better than T1 {Dark Ritual}, {Entomb}, {Shallow Grave}, draw 14 off {Griselbrand}, play {Children of Korlis}, gain 14, draw 14 more, {Entomb} an {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}, {Shallow Grave} With the shuffle trigger on the stack, swing for 22.
Legacy is a format of brokenness. I don't think what {Black Vise} Brings to the table can compare.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 09, 2015, 02:16:41 PM
Assuming your using like {lotus bloom } to generate that extra mana or something?
{Chrome Mox} & {Lotus Petal}. Possible to whiff obviously but this is a realistic turn one in some decks.
Lest we forget, Oops All Spells.
Quote from: Falcon182 on July 09, 2015, 03:10:07 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 09, 2015, 02:16:41 PM
Assuming your using like {lotus bloom } to generate that extra mana or something?
{Chrome Mox} & {Lotus Petal}. Possible to whiff obviously but this is a realistic turn one in some decks.
Lotus petal isn't banned it's never been printed in a modern legal set
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 10, 2015, 01:33:46 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on July 09, 2015, 03:10:07 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 09, 2015, 02:16:41 PM
Assuming your using like {lotus bloom } to generate that extra mana or something?
{Chrome Mox} & {Lotus Petal}. Possible to whiff obviously but this is a realistic turn one in some decks.
Lotus petal isn't banned it's never been printed in a modern legal set
What? I was answering the question about how you get the extra mana in Tin Fins, not suggesting bans.
Quote from: Falcon182 on July 10, 2015, 11:14:25 AM
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 10, 2015, 01:33:46 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on July 09, 2015, 03:10:07 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 09, 2015, 02:16:41 PM
Assuming your using like {lotus bloom } to generate that extra mana or something?
{Chrome Mox} & {Lotus Petal}. Possible to whiff obviously but this is a realistic turn one in some decks.
Lotus petal isn't banned it's never been printed in a modern legal set
What? I was answering the question about how you get the extra mana in Tin Fins, not suggesting bans.
I'm an idiot. Sorry.
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 10, 2015, 11:45:22 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on July 10, 2015, 11:14:25 AM
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 10, 2015, 01:33:46 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on July 09, 2015, 03:10:07 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 09, 2015, 02:16:41 PM
Assuming your using like {lotus bloom } to generate that extra mana or something?
{Chrome Mox} & {Lotus Petal}. Possible to whiff obviously but this is a realistic turn one in some decks.
Lotus petal isn't banned it's never been printed in a modern legal set
What? I was answering the question about how you get the extra mana in Tin Fins, not suggesting bans.
I'm an idiot. Sorry.
No biggie. It was in a thread about bans, understandable. ;-)
Quote from: ConanEdo on July 10, 2015, 02:19:25 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 09, 2015, 01:43:55 PM
I mean it stI'll would be a turn 1 bolt, and then added value. Most likely against an aggro match up it'll be a solid 5 or 6 damage it'd deal over the course of a game.
But again that's turn one. Top deck it turn 3 and it's a dead draw, and burn can't afford dead draws. Again, people talk a out triple black vise turn 1, that never happens. It would just be putting a screw on decks that sit there and draw cards like miracles.
It'd be a good sideboard card against controlly decks (draw-go style).
It was amazing way back when, but isn't so great now.
No changes, huzzah healthy formats!
A tear came to my eye when I read nothing from amulet bloom was banned :')
Now people can assemble decks.
I believe those decks will have pieces increase in price