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WB Tokens (Need Help) 60 cards, 15 sideboard 3 {Isolated Chapel} 2 {Swamp} 7 {Plains} 3 {Marsh Flats} 4 {Temple of Silence} 4 {Godless Shrine} 1 {Vault of the Archangel} 24 lands 2 {Hero of Bladehold} 3 {Monastery Mentor} 5 creatures 2 {Timely Reinforcements} 2 {Murderous Cut} 2 {Utter End} 4 {Lingering Souls} 4 {Spectral Procession} 3 {Thoughtseize} 3 {Ajani, Caller of the Pride} 4 {Honor of the Pure} 3 {Path to Exile} 4 {Intangible Virtue} 31 other spells Sideboard 3 {Vile Rebirth} 3 {Dismember} 1 {Utter End} 1 {Timely Reinforcements} 3 {Duress} 2 {Sorin, Lord of Innistrad} 2 {Inquisition of Kozilek} 15 sideboard cards Notes: I need some advice for this deck, the cards I have been using are pretty good for killing my opponent fast, but the curve on this deck is bad and I need some advice for a good sideboard. I you have any similar decks to this one just tell me the name of it and I'll be sure to look at it :)

I would think about cutting utter end or at least moving it to sideboard. {Sorin solemn visito}r is a must in tokens in the Mainboard. {Elspeth knight errant} is an amazing token maker/buffer and {bitter blossom} is unmatch for flying tokens.

Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 07, 2015, 01:46:56 PM
I would think about cutting utter end or at least moving it to sideboard. {Sorin solemn visito}r is a must in tokens in the Mainboard. {Elspeth knight errant} is an amazing token maker/buffer and {bitter blossom} is unmatch for flying tokens.

I like both elpeth and sorin (visitor version) but bitter blossom seems not that good if I keep   {Honor of the Pure}

Quote from: Saulon on June 07, 2015, 02:07:22 PM

Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 07, 2015, 01:46:56 PM
I would think about cutting utter end or at least moving it to sideboard. {Sorin solemn visito}r is a must in tokens in the Mainboard. {Elspeth knight errant} is an amazing token maker/buffer and {bitter blossom} is unmatch for flying tokens.

I like both elpeth and sorin (visitor version) but bitter blossom seems not that good if I keep   {Honor of the Pure}

{Intangible Virtue} over Honor.

I honestly done think you need more than 4 anthems in a deck to pump. If you put out creatures ever turn your gameplay becomes more consistent and you start to really apply pressure. The fact that you have hero is just a plus.

Land base, I don't see temple of silence being too great. Scry lands aren't much of a thing in modern. I'd switch for a buddy land or something of that nature

Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 07, 2015, 02:42:22 PM
I honestly done think you need more than 4 anthems in a deck to pump. If you put out creatures ever turn your gameplay becomes more consistent and you start to really apply pressure. The fact that you have hero is just a plus.

I see what you mean, big creatures<huge board

Quote from: Codester1991 on June 07, 2015, 04:26:31 PM
Land base, I don't see temple of silence being too great. Scry lands aren't much of a thing in modern. I'd switch for a buddy land or something of that nature

I just like scry lands simply because there's not a lot of card draw in this deck, and knowing what you're about to draw can be useful. I totally agree with you that scry lands aren't that good in modern, but I think in this deck they can work

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 07, 2015, 02:21:46 PM

Quote from: Saulon on June 07, 2015, 02:07:22 PM

Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 07, 2015, 01:46:56 PM
I would think about cutting utter end or at least moving it to sideboard. {Sorin solemn visito}r is a must in tokens in the Mainboard. {Elspeth knight errant} is an amazing token maker/buffer and {bitter blossom} is unmatch for flying tokens.

I like both elpeth and sorin (visitor version) but bitter blossom seems not that good if I keep   {Honor of the Pure}

{Intangible Virtue} over Honor.

I already have four copies, I would never forget about virtue. It makes all of my fliers also vigilantes, wich in my opinion is REALLY strong, no matter the size of my creatures.

If you're worried about card draw, try {windbrisk heights} it basically replaces itself,  offers card selection, and can provide some sweet value like 2 mana hero of bladehold or sorin, solemn visitor

Quote from: Kaalia with haste on June 07, 2015, 05:36:03 PM
If you're worried about card draw, try {windbrisk heights} it basically replaces itself,  offers card selection, and can provide some sweet value like 2 mana hero of bladehold or sorin, solemn visitor

Ok I like it, works really well with the whole "make a huge board" plan :)

Needs some {Raise the Alarm}. I'm also a fan of a copy or two of {Secure the Wastes} as late game reach. Not many people agree with that though.

{Ajani, Caller of the Pride} is really sub-optimal. The flying and double strike doesn't mean much in this deck and he'll almost never ult. As said {Sorin, Solemn Visitor} is optimal. He pumps and will gain you more life 9/10 times.

I'm not a fan of {Timely Reinforcements} as if the deck is running well you'll have more creatures and health than your opponent. It's semi-playable sideboard tech vs burn/affinity. But otherwise I dislike it.

It looks like {Spectral Procession} is easily cast able in here. Still don't much like the card but it works.

{Brimaz, King of Oreskos} any good in here?

The sideboard,

{Leyline of Sanctity}: Wrecks burn and a few other decks.

{Stony Silence} pretty solid vs Tron. Wrecks Affinity.

{Disenchant} or something similar. {Illness in the Ranks} is hardly played and you can get past it, but dealing with {Cranial Plating} and {Doubling Season} is nice too.

{Leyline of the Void}/{Rest in Peace} for some graveyard hate.

{Ghost Quarter} for Scapeshift and Tron. It's not super optimal. {Tectonic Edge} works too.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 07, 2015, 06:36:57 PM
Needs some {Raise the Alarm}. I'm also a fan of a copy or two of {Secure the Wastes} as late game reach. Not many people agree with that though.

{Ajani, Caller of the Pride} is really sub-optimal. The flying and double strike doesn't mean much in this deck and he'll almost never ult. As said {Sorin, Solemn Visitor} is optimal. He pumps and will gain you more life 9/10 times.

I'm not a fan of {Timely Reinforcements} as if the deck is running well you'll have more creatures and health than your opponent. It's semi-playable sideboard tech vs burn/affinity. But otherwise I dislike it.

It looks like {Spectral Procession} is easily cast able in here. Still don't much like the card but it works.

{Brimaz, King of Oreskos} any good in here?

The sideboard,

{Leyline of Sanctity}: Wrecks burn and a few other decks.

{Stony Silence} pretty solid vs Tron. Wrecks Affinity.

{Disenchant} or something similar. {Illness in the Ranks} is hardly played and you can get past it, but dealing with {Cranial Plating} and {Doubling Season} is nice too.

{Leyline of the Void}/{Rest in Peace} for some graveyard hate.

{Ghost Quarter} for Scapeshift and Tron. It's not super optimal. {Tectonic Edge} works too.

Thanks, I always thought ajani cp was a weird card in this type of deck, but I wanted to have a cheap planeswalker, I will probably never play  {Secure the Wastes}, maybe one copy. Right now I think Sorin Visitor version is really good and I will replace Ajani with it. I will probably ditch all three  {Timely Reinforcements} in the sideboard cause in most cases I didn't need it. I already have a lot of token production but I think  {Raise the Alarm} or  {Bitterblossom} are really good for fixing my mana curve (I tend to have too many three drops in my hand). I think Brimaaz is kind of good and at the same time kind of slow, but that's just my opinion, I know a lot of people think he's amazing. I definitely prefer  {Ghost Quarter} than  {Tectonic Edge} but I can use both. For the rest in the sideboard I thing I'll keep at least two  {Utter End}, but all the cards you suggested seem really good, I have never used  {Rest in Peace} but I can try using it. Anyways I'll soon reply on this deck list the new one. (No one has mentioned  {Monastery Mentor}, I think he fits really well in here and you also probably do)

I play a deck that is very similar. I'd say add 1 or 2  {Vault of the Archangel}  The deathtouch comes in real handy in those longer matches.

I personally run 2 {Surgical Extraction} In the side board as well. Works wonders in modern as a 3:1 aganist many decks.

Check out my post labeled 'BW tokens'

{Monastery Mentor} could go either way. It's not that "he dies so he's bad" it's that he doesn't usually get the chance to do anything before he dies and that sucks. Maybe as a 1-2 of. Drop him later In the game so you can follow up with a non-creature spell.

Quote from: Kaalia with haste on June 08, 2015, 01:25:54 AM
Check out my post labeled 'BW tokens'

Ok bro

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 08, 2015, 01:26:04 AM
{Monastery Mentor} could go either way. It's not that "he dies so he's bad" it's that he doesn't usually get the chance to do anything before he dies and that sucks. Maybe as a 1-2 of. Drop him later In the game so you can follow up with a non-creature spell.

Ok thanks, I totally agree with you that I should use it in the late game

So this is what I think can be a better version of my deck but I'm not 100% sure
Creatures
2  {Monastery Mentor}, I've learnt that in here he's better in the late game
2  {Hero of Bladehold}, I just love this card, it can win a lot of games
Token production spells
4
{Lingering Souls}, this is basically a staple
4  {Spectral Procession}, it's really easy to cast with the mana base I use
4  {Bitterblossom}, it makes my board huge
4  {Raise the Alarm}, testing the deck I realised that I was underrating this card, it's good
Removal
3  {Murderous Cut}, It has never let me down
3  {Path to Exile}, best removal spell in modern (in my opinion)
Anthems
3  {Sorin, Solemn Visitor}, it's definitely 10 times better than  {Ajani, Caller of the Pride}
4  {Intangible Virtue}, another staple
Discard spells
4
{Thoughtseize}, I'm not afraid of running 4 since I have a lot of life gain from Sorin
Lands
4  {Godless Shrine}
4  {Marsh Flats}
3  {Isolated Chapel}
3  {Windbrisk Heights}
2  {Vault of the Archangel}, I was running only one but I have been told that two is better cause I may need deathtouch in the late game
2  {Fetid Heath}
5 plains
2 swamp
Sideboard
2  {Utter End}, I really like this card, I may add a third
3  {Leyline of Sanctity}, really good against burn
3  {Stony Silence}, Maybe 3 is too many but again I'm not 100% sure of the deck
2  {Dismember}, I probably don't need to explain this
2  {Dawn to Dusk}, I think it has it's place simply because it can pull back from the graveyard good enchantments, the sorcery speed is pretty bad but I like the card
3  {Timely Reinforcements}, it saved me a lot of games, I think is a great card

I steel need to test A LOT so if you see strange stuff don't hate.