I noticed that {Treasure cruise} still is considered legal in Modern, Legacy and Vintage according to app legality. According to gatherer the card is banned in modern & legacy and restricted in vintage.
Damn. Gotta take outta modern. Still legal in EDH?
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 22, 2015, 09:49:09 AM
Damn. Gotta take outta modern. Still legal in EDH?
According to the list on magic.wizards.com it would be legal. Still, there's so many different sources on EDH I don't dare to answer that one tbh.
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 22, 2015, 11:10:28 AM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 22, 2015, 09:49:09 AM
Damn. Gotta take outta modern. Still legal in EDH?
According to the list on magic.wizards.com it would be legal. Still, there's so many different sources on EDH I don't dare to answer that one tbh.
As far as I'm concerned, Wizards sets the rules. Anyone else can suck it
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 22, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 22, 2015, 11:10:28 AM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 22, 2015, 09:49:09 AM
Damn. Gotta take outta modern. Still legal in EDH?
According to the list on magic.wizards.com it would be legal. Still, there's so many different sources on EDH I don't dare to answer that one tbh.
As far as I'm concerned, Wizards sets the rules. Anyone else can suck it
But what if wizards explicitly states (in CR 900-ish), that they are not the only ones ;)
Basically, what I read on EDH, play groups are encouraged to have house rules and house ban lists, so if your group finds Emmy ok, it's ok. After all, it is a casual format. Tourney's use French ban list I believe. But, like I said, I'm quite new to the format.
My group is just starting to play EDH, so for now it's whatever is on the Wizards list
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 22, 2015, 01:43:39 PM
My group is just starting to play EDH, so for now it's whatever is on the Wizards list
http://magic.wizards.com/en/gameinfo/gameplay/formats/commander
URL of the list.
Ty sir
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 22, 2015, 02:24:16 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 22, 2015, 01:43:39 PM
My group is just starting to play EDH, so for now it's whatever is on the Wizards list
http://magic.wizards.com/en/gameinfo/gameplay/formats/commander
URL of the list.
Notice that on the wizards page they give you a link to where they get their info on Commander.
Wizards does not determine the ban list for EDH, except for maybe Magic Online.
In fact, there are two separate ban lists maintained by two different entities depending in whether you play group games or 1v1 competitive.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on April 24, 2015, 08:56:22 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 22, 2015, 02:24:16 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 22, 2015, 01:43:39 PM
My group is just starting to play EDH, so for now it's whatever is on the Wizards list
http://magic.wizards.com/en/gameinfo/gameplay/formats/commander
URL of the list.
Notice that on the wizards page they give you a link to where they get their info on Commander.
Wizards does not determine the ban list for EDH, except for maybe Magic Online.
In fact, there are two separate ban lists maintained by two different entities depending in whether you play group games or 1v1 competitive.
Exactly what I meant with my earlier comment.
French, competitive Commander, is a whole different ball game then the original EDH.
Example: Emmy is totally ok in French.
This is ridiculously confusing. I don't wanna have to have lists and rules from multiple conflicting sources to play a format
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 24, 2015, 09:35:48 AM
This is ridiculously confusing. I don't wanna have to have lists and rules from multiple conflicting sources to play a format
That's because there are two formats currently for EDH. None which were created by Wizards. Wizards only really took up EDH in the past couple years.
It's the same thing with Tiny Leaders. Player created format that has gradually gained momentum. Ban list and stuff maintained by an entity other than Wizards.
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 24, 2015, 09:35:48 AM
This is ridiculously confusing. I don't wanna have to have lists and rules from multiple conflicting sources to play a format
I don't know. I see it more as how there are different list for standard,modern,legacy,etc.
But wizards is selling EDH decks. Why can't the set down the "official tourney rules" for it? Then I'll have the only source that matters for it.
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 26, 2015, 01:39:27 PM
But wizards is selling EDH decks. Why can't the set down the "official tourney rules" for it? Then I'll have the only source that matters for it.
Because then it'll become an "official" format for "competitive" play, which is something the Rules Committee for EDH does not want. And currently Wizards is respecting that and seeks their guidance on new products for Commander.
I want t as an official competitive format. That way I have more of a reason to play it, instead of just cause it's all anyone ever brings to the LGS
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?
I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?
I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
That's called houserules :p
Thing is, wizards adopted the EDH casual format. The French rules were made for competitive 1v1 commander, but the origin of the game is much like Planechase or Emperor or Rainbow. And I don't see any competitions arising in those.
Wizards also adopted 2 headed giant from when we would play as teams (did anyone ever play with joint mana?). My point is, EDH could easily be a hugely popular competitive format, if wizards would just pull the damn trigger.
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 29, 2015, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?
I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
That's called houserules :p
Thing is, wizards adopted the EDH casual format. The French rules were made for competitive 1v1 commander, but the origin of the game is much like Planechase or Emperor or Rainbow. And I don't see any competitions arising in those.
What's rainbow?
Quote from: Rass on April 30, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 29, 2015, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?
I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
That's called houserules :p
Thing is, wizards adopted the EDH casual format. The French rules were made for competitive 1v1 commander, but the origin of the game is much like Planechase or Emperor or Rainbow. And I don't see any competitions arising in those.
What's rainbow?
5 players, each represents a color. The two players next to you are allied, opposite enemy. You sit in the same order as the colors on the color wheel. So {W} is allied with {G} and {U} and enemies with {B} and {R} etc. The allies that are the last ones standing win.
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 30, 2015, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: Rass on April 30, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 29, 2015, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?
I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
That's called houserules :p
Thing is, wizards adopted the EDH casual format. The French rules were made for competitive 1v1 commander, but the origin of the game is much like Planechase or Emperor or Rainbow. And I don't see any competitions arising in those.
What's rainbow?
5 players, each represents a color. The two players next to you are allied, opposite enemy. You sit in the same order as the colors on the color wheel. So {W} is allied with {G} and {U} and enemies with {B} and {R} etc. The allies that are the last ones standing win.
So if I'm {W}, my allies are {G} and {R}, but my allies are each allied with one of my enemies? That makes for some bizarre matchups later in the game. If {B} gets eliminated, it becomes all out war between {R} and {U}, while {W} and {G} get to breath easier. Wow. That actually sounds fun. I get why that couldn't be a competitive format though
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 30, 2015, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 30, 2015, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: Rass on April 30, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 29, 2015, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?
I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
That's called houserules :p
Thing is, wizards adopted the EDH casual format. The French rules were made for competitive 1v1 commander, but the origin of the game is much like Planechase or Emperor or Rainbow. And I don't see any competitions arising in those.
What's rainbow?
5 players, each represents a color. The two players next to you are allied, opposite enemy. You sit in the same order as the colors on the color wheel. So {W} is allied with {G} and {U} and enemies with {B} and {R} etc. The allies that are the last ones standing win.
So if I'm {W}, my allies are {G} and {R}, but my allies are each allied with one of my enemies? That makes for some bizarre matchups later in the game. If {B} gets eliminated, it becomes all out war between {R} and {U}, while {W} and {G} get to breath easier. Wow. That actually sounds fun. I get why that couldn't be a competitive format though
It makes for complex decisions, in the sense of: do I help my ally if that also helps my enemy? {U} has a common enemy with {B} in {G}, but what if {W} puts a {pacifism} on a {B} creature? Do you counter your allies' spell so {B} can use it to kill off {G}?
Best fun we had was each of us running in the colors we represented. Back in the 4rth edition days. With the devotion decks and shifts in the colour pie, enemy guilds, mill etc, it would make a whole different ball game. But yeah, strictly casual.
This would be crazy as mono color EDH decks
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 30, 2015, 03:03:47 PM
This would be crazy as mono color EDH decks
For total mayhem, add Vanguard, Planescape and make it a villain rumble. :))
And throw in the chaos cards!
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 30, 2015, 03:06:25 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 30, 2015, 03:03:47 PM
This would be crazy as mono color EDH decks
For total mayhem, add Vanguard, Planescape and make it a villain rumble. :))
And throw in the chaos cards!
Oh jeez. That might be too much to keep track of
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 09:43:54 AM
Wizards also adopted 2 headed giant from when we would play as teams (did anyone ever play with joint mana?). My point is, EDH could easily be a hugely popular competitive format, if wizards would just pull the damn trigger.
Wizards doesn't call the shots with EDH. They're respecting the creators of the format by letting them retain control over it with the rules committee. It's not that WotC won't make EDH a competitive format; it's because the rules committee doesn't *want* EDH to become a competitive format.
Legality of {treasure cruise} still incorrect after today's update.
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 30, 2015, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: Rass on April 30, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 29, 2015, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?
I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
That's called houserules :p
Thing is, wizards adopted the EDH casual format. The French rules were made for competitive 1v1 commander, but the origin of the game is much like Planechase or Emperor or Rainbow. And I don't see any competitions arising in those.
What's rainbow?
5 players, each represents a color. The two players next to you are allied, opposite enemy. You sit in the same order as the colors on the color wheel. So {W} is allied with {G} and {U} and enemies with {B} and {R} etc. The allies that are the last ones standing win.
This is also called Star.
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 15, 2015, 10:39:23 AM
Legality of {treasure cruise} still incorrect after today's update.
Should be ok after 121, thanks!
Quote from: Piotr on June 15, 2015, 12:22:31 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 15, 2015, 10:39:23 AM
Legality of {treasure cruise} still incorrect after today's update.
Should be ok after 121, thanks!
Fix confirmed