Went 3-1-1 to make Top 8 lost in the 1st round of top 8.
I took UW Control despite missing {Soulfire Grandmaster} in the sideboard. Also I didn't run Ojutais or Narsets (didn't have them :()
Round 1: vs Esper Control
Control mirror ... We tied lol I wish I had my Soulfires here bc they add a clock we both won a game and drew in time
Round 2: vs Mono Red Aggro
Nice guy but he was a noob and I had no trouble crushing him in 2
Round 3: vs GW Devotion
{Mastery of the Unseen} is hard to play against 2 is even harder :( also couldn't find an end hostilities either game :( I lost in 2
Round 4: vs Sultai Whip
Easy matchup for me as it's pretty slow and if I counter their whip I basically win on the spot. Won in 2
Round 5: my win and in vs. UB Control
Game 1: despite him being 2-2 he didn't want to concede to me (.rearexit. lol) I won game 1
Game 2: he won with 3 mins left :(
Game 3 he finally was nice enough to concede to me so I won in 3 (but really it was a draw)
Top 8: vs Temur aggro/Midrange
Just too fast :( Savage was a savage :( and new Sarkhan is UNREAL!! Lol he crushed me in 2
Overall fun day though I got $25 credit for my $20 entry fee lol so I made $5 credit!! lol used the credit to buy a Tasigur and Ojutai :D
Idk if I'd call him an ass for not conceding.. If he didn't do it the last game then yea but whatever. Anyways, congrats!!
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on April 13, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
Idk if I'd call him an ass for not conceding.. If he didn't do it the last game then yea but whatever. Anyways, congrats!!
If your not in contention for top 8 and your opponent is, unless your friend is also trying to get that spot, your a dick if you don't concede.
Quote from: particle on April 13, 2015, 08:50:50 PM
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on April 13, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
Idk if I'd call him an ass for not conceding.. If he didn't do it the last game then yea but whatever. Anyways, congrats!!
If your not in contention for top 8 and your opponent is, unless your friend is also trying to get that spot, your a dick if you don't concede.
This was the case no prizes for 9th-16th and he wasn't there with a friend .. Just a douche lol I understand wanting to play but in this case there was 0 reason. He was out no matter what and I was a lock with a win. Oh well
I mean a lot of people care about their record like, I'd rather go 3-2 than 2-3. Now if it was about to draw and my opponent was a lock for top 8 and I wasn't, even with a draw, I'd concede in a heart beat.
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Quote from: Kaalia with haste on April 13, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
Idk if I'd call him an ass for not conceding.. If he didn't do it the last game then yea but whatever. Anyways, congrats!!
If your not in contention for top 8 and your opponent is, unless your friend is also trying to get that spot, your a dick if you don't concede.
This was the case no prizes for 9th-16th and he wasn't there with a friend .. Just a douche lol I understand wanting to play but in this case there was 0 reason. He was out no matter what and I was a lock with a win. Oh well
I would have conceded and offered to play while you waited for your next match.
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Quote from: Kaalia with haste on April 13, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
Idk if I'd call him an ass for not conceding.. If he didn't do it the last game then yea but whatever. Anyways, congrats!!
If your not in contention for top 8 and your opponent is, unless your friend is also trying to get that spot, your a dick if you don't concede.
This was the case no prizes for 9th-16th and he wasn't there with a friend .. Just a douche lol I understand wanting to play but in this case there was 0 reason. He was out no matter what and I was a lock with a win. Oh well
I would have conceded and offered to play while you waited for your next match.
Me too, seems like the best for both people.
Unrelated, sorry I accidentally hit neg on your post link... Will fix it tomorrow when I can :)
Quote from: particle on April 13, 2015, 08:50:50 PM
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on April 13, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
Idk if I'd call him an ass for not conceding.. If he didn't do it the last game then yea but whatever. Anyways, congrats!!
If your not in contention for top 8 and your opponent is, unless your friend is also trying to get that spot, your a dick if you don't concede.
So making someone earn their way into top 8 is being a dick?
Yeah, no.
Tbh it is.
If it's a PT or any tourney where there's a prize for 9th-16th sure make me play but if there isn't it wastes both of our time.
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Quote from: Kaalia with haste on April 13, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
Idk if I'd call him an ass for not conceding.. If he didn't do it the last game then yea but whatever. Anyways, congrats!!
If your not in contention for top 8 and your opponent is, unless your friend is also trying to get that spot, your a dick if you don't concede.
So making someone earn their way into top 8 is being a dick?
Yeah, no.
By getting to the point they have gotten to, they have statistically earned top 8. Who are you to take that chance away from them?
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Quote from: Kaalia with haste on April 13, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
Idk if I'd call him an ass for not conceding.. If he didn't do it the last game then yea but whatever. Anyways, congrats!!
If your not in contention for top 8 and your opponent is, unless your friend is also trying to get that spot, your a dick if you don't concede.
So making someone earn their way into top 8 is being a dick?
Yeah, no.
By getting to the point they have gotten to, they have statistically earned top 8. Who are you to take that chance away from them?
If they have any chance of making it, it is no problem if they play... But someone who's record is 2-2 won't be making top 8, right?
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Quote from: Kaalia with haste on April 13, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
Idk if I'd call him an ass for not conceding.. If he didn't do it the last game then yea but whatever. Anyways, congrats!!
If your not in contention for top 8 and your opponent is, unless your friend is also trying to get that spot, your a dick if you don't concede.
So making someone earn their way into top 8 is being a dick?
Yeah, no.
By getting to the point they have gotten to, they have statistically earned top 8. Who are you to take that chance away from them?
If they lose and don't make it, they haven't statistically earned top 8, have they?
2-1-1 isn't "statistically earned top 8".
I wouldn't concede either, you haven't earned it till you are in it. And planeswalker points are a thing I guess. But either way your way of thinking could make you the bad guy. If you had Drew and someone else made top 8 they could have beaten the deck you lost to
I understand that 2-1-1 isn't an "earned" record per say but it's a record that would guarantee me top 8 and sadly his record was not good enough to make it. So by playing he was attempting to dream crush me and that's rather rude. That's like saying I have no shot but screw you, you won't either!
How many people? What where their records going into the final round? I have made top 8 by going 3-2, maybe it wasn't a pipe dream
20 something ppl but we each did the math and it was impossible for a 3-2 to make it
Quote from: Mattao19 on April 15, 2015, 11:34:54 AM
20 something ppl but we each did the math and it was impossible for a 3-2 to make it
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I'm calling bs there is no way a 3-1-1 is 100% top 8 when a 3-2 has a 0% chance. Either you got in with tie breakers or he would have, if he had beaten you.
Idc if you believe it lol that was the scenario
The thing was was that there were 4 X-1-1s (and I had the top breakers for them) so the top 2 X-1-1s would get a spot and therefore no X-2s would make it in
So you weren't 100%
My point was no 3-1-1 was 100% in
When a 3-2 was 0% in
Quote from: Mattao19 on April 15, 2015, 01:06:54 PM
Idc if you believe it lol that was the scenario
The thing was was that there were 4 X-1-1s (and I had the top breakers for them) so the top 2 X-1-1s would get a spot and therefore no X-2s would make it in
4 at the end of round 5 or round 4
After rd. 4
Quote from: Mattao19 on April 15, 2015, 01:06:54 PM
Idc if you believe it lol that was the scenario
The thing was was that there were 4 X-1-1s (and I had the top breakers for them) so the top 2 X-1-1s would get a spot and therefore no X-2s would make it in
And if you lost, you wouldn't make it in.
It's not about dream crushing, it's about earning it.
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Quote from: Kaalia with haste on April 13, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
Idk if I'd call him an ass for not conceding.. If he didn't do it the last game then yea but whatever. Anyways, congrats!!
If your not in contention for top 8 and your opponent is, unless your friend is also trying to get that spot, your a dick if you don't concede.
So making someone earn their way into top 8 is being a dick?
Yeah, no.
By getting to the point they have gotten to, they have statistically earned top 8. Who are you to take that chance away from them?
If they lose and don't make it, they haven't statistically earned top 8, have they?
2-1-1 isn't "statistically earned top 8".
What I mean by "earned it" is that they have statistically come to a place where they're not incentivized to play. If with a draw, they have a guaranteed top 8 spot, while opponent gains nothing with a win ... except planeswalker points ... which in 99% of situations won't actually change anything, then they have no incentive to risk losing. My opponent is a dick if all they are playing for is pw points. Now if the math didn't work out this way that's completely different, but I'm assuming the math was sound.
Math was sound I was locked with a W but regardless in that scenario ppl should scoop if I was in his seat I would have in a heartbeat
Quote from: Mattao19 on April 15, 2015, 04:38:36 PM
Math was sound I was locked with a W but regardless in that scenario ppl should scoop if I was in his seat I would have in a heartbeat
I wasn't saying your math might be off. I'm just saying given this information, I believe the above to be true. In other situations with different math things could be different.
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Quote from: Kaalia with haste on April 13, 2015, 08:31:52 AM
Idk if I'd call him an ass for not conceding.. If he didn't do it the last game then yea but whatever. Anyways, congrats!!
If your not in contention for top 8 and your opponent is, unless your friend is also trying to get that spot, your a dick if you don't concede.
So making someone earn their way into top 8 is being a dick?
Yeah, no.
By getting to the point they have gotten to, they have statistically earned top 8. Who are you to take that chance away from them?
If they lose and don't make it, they haven't statistically earned top 8, have they?
2-1-1 isn't "statistically earned top 8".
What I mean by "earned it" is that they have statistically come to a place where they're not incentivized to play. If with a draw, they have a guaranteed top 8 spot, while opponent gains nothing with a win ... except planeswalker points ... which in 99% of situations won't actually change anything, then they have no incentive to risk losing. My opponent is a dick if all they are playing for is pw points. Now if the math didn't work out this way that's completely different, but I'm assuming the math was sound.
If he ended at 2-1-2 that's 8 points. He said any 3-1-1 makes it in and 3-2 had zero chance. So if 9 points has zero chance, neither does 8 points, so he had to have a win - a draw wouldn't do it.
Suck it up buttercup, earn your top 8.
Lol I understand earning a Top 8 but this isn't the PT and it I probably screwed up the math but it was a lock for me and impossible for him. I have nothing against it if he had a shot obviously but he didn't so I'm saying he should have been polite and concedes
I'm still not seeing how it is impossible for a 3-2 to not top 8
So we have 4 X-1-1 at the end of round 4
Since you have been paired again a 2-2 which is a pair down it is safe to assume other x-1-1 (who aren't paired to another x-1-1) to also be paired down since you said you had the best tie breakers
So pairing could go like this:
2-1-1 vs 2-2 (your game)
2-1-1 vs 2-2 (more likely) or 3-1, (odd 2-1-1 out)
2-1-1 vs 2-1-1 no matter what a 3-1-1 comes out
So we have 2 top 8 spots left
7 belongs to a 3-1-1 no matter what
But if both you and the other 2-1-1 lose a 3-2 can make it in top 8
Now this is based off the info you gave me if something is missing oh well
Note that results of the fifth round shouldn't go into account of what he should do
I wish that I had the tourney fact sheet lol idk how to explain it maybe I was off in what happened but all I know is that I was a lock for Top 8 and my opponent was not lol oh well what's sonde is done :P
Quote from: Mattao19 on April 16, 2015, 03:54:20 AM
I wish that I had the tourney fact sheet lol idk how to explain it maybe I was off in what happened but all I know is that I was a lock for Top 8 and my opponent was not lol oh well what's sonde is done :P
Always take pics of standings sheets when your about to top 8. Then you get the pride and the math.