Dega Tokens 60 cards, 0 sideboard 2 {Temple of Malice} 3 {Temple of Silence} 3 {Mountain} 4 {Nomad Outpost} 4 {Plains} 2 {Battlefield Forge} 4 {Swamp} 2 {Caves of Koilos} 24 lands 4 {Butcher of the Horde} 2 {Brimaz, King of Oreskos} 4 {Goblin Rabblemaster} 4 {Seeker of the Way} 14 creatures 2 {Secure the Wastes} 3 {Hero's Downfall} 1 {Spear of Heliod} 4 {Hordeling Outburst} 2 {Bile Blight} 3 {Thoughtseize} 3 {Sorin, Solemn Visitor} 4 {Raise the Alarm} 22 other spells Sideboard Notes: |
Quote from: redwolv on March 31, 2015, 10:53:24 AM
I would take {dragon fodder} over the raise the alarm.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 12:52:31 PMQuote from: redwolv on March 31, 2015, 10:53:24 AM
I would take {dragon fodder} over the raise the alarm.
Disagree, instant speed and not being forced to swing due to {Goblin Rabblemaster} is a good thing. However I might make room for it anyways.
{Brutal Hordechief}?
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.
Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.
Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.
Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.
Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.
Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.
At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.
Quote from: Crossed on April 01, 2015, 11:34:17 AMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.
Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.
Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.
At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.
If he has rabblemaster, then he has a repeatable token to sac
Quote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 12:27:19 PMQuote from: Crossed on April 01, 2015, 11:34:17 AMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.
Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.
Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.
At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.
If he has rabblemaster, then he has a repeatable token to sac
If rabble is living you should be winning without needing sacrificial tokens and butcher.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 01, 2015, 01:42:05 PMQuote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 12:27:19 PMQuote from: Crossed on April 01, 2015, 11:34:17 AMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.
Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.
Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.
At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.
If he has rabblemaster, then he has a repeatable token to sac
If rabble is living you should be winning without needing sacrificial tokens and butcher.
There's this thing called stalemates. I've heard 5/4 fliers are pretty good at breaking them.
But yes if {Goblin Rabblemaster} is providing reliable sacs then you're already doing something right.
Quote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 03:54:08 PMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on April 01, 2015, 01:42:05 PMQuote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 12:27:19 PMQuote from: Crossed on April 01, 2015, 11:34:17 AMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.
Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.
Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.
At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.
If he has rabblemaster, then he has a repeatable token to sac
If rabble is living you should be winning without needing sacrificial tokens and butcher.
There's this thing called stalemates. I've heard 5/4 fliers are pretty good at breaking them.
But yes if {Goblin Rabblemaster} is providing reliable sacs then you're already doing something right.
5/4s that die to most removal in the format do not necessarily get through board stalls. Rabble should be able to get through whatever stalemate is being presented and trade with whatever is clogging up the way.
Quote from: Crossed on April 02, 2015, 03:26:07 AMQuote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 03:54:08 PMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on April 01, 2015, 01:42:05 PMQuote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 12:27:19 PMQuote from: Crossed on April 01, 2015, 11:34:17 AMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.
Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.
Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.
At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.
If he has rabblemaster, then he has a repeatable token to sac
If rabble is living you should be winning without needing sacrificial tokens and butcher.
There's this thing called stalemates. I've heard 5/4 fliers are pretty good at breaking them.
But yes if {Goblin Rabblemaster} is providing reliable sacs then you're already doing something right.
5/4s that die to most removal in the format do not necessarily get through board stalls. Rabble should be able to get through whatever stalemate is being presented and trade with whatever is clogging up the way.
You're comparing a 5/4 flier with potential lifelink that dies to most removal to a 2/2 token producer, that has potential get bigger and has a giant target painted in its head, but dies to an even greater amount of removal which includes all 2 powered creatures. The 5/4 flier fits a more reliable position.
Quote from: particle on April 02, 2015, 01:58:33 PMQuote from: Crossed on April 02, 2015, 03:26:07 AMQuote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 03:54:08 PMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on April 01, 2015, 01:42:05 PMQuote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 12:27:19 PMQuote from: Crossed on April 01, 2015, 11:34:17 AMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PMQuote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PMQuote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.
Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.
Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.
At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.
If he has rabblemaster, then he has a repeatable token to sac
If rabble is living you should be winning without needing sacrificial tokens and butcher.
There's this thing called stalemates. I've heard 5/4 fliers are pretty good at breaking them.
But yes if {Goblin Rabblemaster} is providing reliable sacs then you're already doing something right.
5/4s that die to most removal in the format do not necessarily get through board stalls. Rabble should be able to get through whatever stalemate is being presented and trade with whatever is clogging up the way.
You're comparing a 5/4 flier with potential lifelink that dies to most removal to a 2/2 token producer, that has potential get bigger and has a giant target painted in its head, but dies to an even greater amount of removal which includes all 2 powered creatures. The 5/4 flier fits a more reliable position.
But the major difference is, {butcher of the horde} does not win the game on his own. {goblin rabblemaster} does this easily.