2 {Flooded Strand}
3 {Windswept Heath}
4 {Plains}
3 {Hallowed Fountain}
2 {Island}
1 {Misty Rainforest}
2 {Breeding Pool}
3 {Forest}
4 {Temple Garden}
24 lands
3 {Venser, the Sojourner}
2 {Narset Transcendent}
2 {Ajani, Mentor of Heroes}
4 {Search for Tomorrow}
4 {Doubling Season}
3 {Jace, Architect of Thought}
2 {Gideon Jura}
4 {Farseek}
3 {Supreme Verdict}
3 {Kiora, the Crashing Wave}
1 {Ugin, the Spirit Dragon}
3 {Path to Exile}
2 {Dawn Charm}
36 other spells
Sideboard
2 {Krosan Grip}
2 {Rest in Peace}
4 {Dispel}
3 {Leyline of Sanctity}
2 {Wrath of God}
2 {Dawn Charm}
15 sideboard cards
Notes:
My attempt at a Modern Superfriends deck.
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{Birds of Paradise}/{Noble Hierarch}: The main issue I foresee with this deck is speed. Mana dorks are here to help. My only issue is that they don't synergies with board wipes, and that I don't get the advantage of making their removal redundant every game. If you have suggestions on a better way to ramp, I'm listening.
{Venser, the Sojourner}: one of the best cards in the deck. His +2 allows me to save hurting PWers which is ultra synergies with {Doubling Season}. The -1 is largely irrelevant, however his ult, while not immediately usable even with {Doubling Season}, is extremely good.
{Riot Control}: I felt like a little life gain might go a long way in this deck. Plus it fits into the {Fog} theme that's quite prevalent in this deck.
{Fog}: speak of the devil. Most of you should be familiar with Turbo Fog. This deck borrows that theme.
{Doubling Season}: drop a walker and watch it ult. I was debating various forms of Elspeth to synergies with this but either the mana cost was too high or the abilities weren't relevant enough.
{Ajani, Mentor of Heroes}: Dig deeper or go on a {Birds of Paradise} beat down plan. Either way he is quite good. Did I mention he can ult on the drop with {Doubling Season} for 100 life?
{Kiora, the Crashing Wave}: While she can't immediately drop for 9/9 Krakens she can be very close. Her +1 is a very synergetic targeted {Fog} while her -1 can provides much needed card draw and ramp. An auto include for this build.
{Jace, Architect of Thought}: one of my favourite Planeswalkers. +1 can act as a {Fog} like effect. The -2 is a mini {Fact or Fiction} which is great. The ult is a win con depending on what deck I'm playing against, /and/ it can go off the turn he drops with {Doubling Season}.
{Dawn Charm}: Found this gem while digging through {Fog} spells. Utility to the max and a nice counter to one of the weaknesses of this deck, burn. And it can save a mana dork if I really want? Seems very good.
{Gideon Jura}: Worst case scenario an overpriced {Fog}. Which this deck is perfectly fine with. The -2 can take care of threats if need be and the 0 is a win con if I can keep him alive and the board empty.
{Holy Day} Yet another {Fog}.
{Supreme Verdict}: because sometimes you need to just flip the table and start over. Without losing anything but a couple of mana dorks.
When the new Narset comes out she may earn herself a slot by bumping Gideon, Ajani or Kiora around.
How the deck plays: By praying for enough {Fog}s or a timely {Supreme Verdict} in the early game. Then it either drops {Doubling Season} and wins or tries to stall the opponent enough for game winning ults to go off "naturally". It can safely use - abilities to dig and stabilize while Venser resets counters or it can use Jace, Kiora and Gideon to sponge up damage and give me the extra turns I need to win.
Sideboard coming soon.
Honourable Mentions:
{Ugin, the Spirit Dragon}: a win condition all on his own. All the abilities would be great, it's just the 8 mana price tag that forces me to say no.
{Elspeth, Suns Champion}: of the Elspeths that I looked at, this one survived the most cuts. We all know how powerful she is in standard, and I'd expect her to swing games my way in this deck too. The problem is the 6 mana cost and a highly irrelevant ult. She may find a way back into the deck later. But not today.
{Ajani Steadfast}: the -2 is fantastic. However a highly irrelevant +1 and the alternate option of {Ajani, Mentor of Heroes} caused this card's cut. I still want to combine him with Venser for virtually free counters.
{The Chain Veil}: at the end of the day what kills this card is the activation cost. It's just too high. I had it as a one of simply because I wanted to make it work for a long time. But I had to say goodbye.
{Guard Gomoza}/{Fog Bank}: {Fog} on a stick. At the end of the day {Supreme Verdict} caused me to cut these two fantastic cards. Plus the fact that they'd have to side out vs some decks along with all the fogs I'm running.
Black: I was very, very tempted to go Sultai. In the end white just had more relevant Planeswalkers and {fog} effects.
What I need from you: Any synergetic or combo cards I missed? Can you recommend a cheap (mana cost wise) alternative to ramping creatures? I'd like to run more wipes and go creatureless. Please note that I considered all the currently printed Planeswalkers along with the recently spoiled Narset when building this deck. If you're going to suggest a Planeswalker back up the why and what to replace please.
Why are you running fog effects?
Quote from: Taysby on March 05, 2015, 03:30:40 PM
4 doubling season and no narset?
Yes. Narset isn't Modern legal yet and I still think she's a tad overrated. She may earn a slot later and I intend to playtest. Is four {Doubling Season} too many? Or is it just an excuse to run Narset?
{remand} to make sure the things you need to resolve do resolve. Or {mana leak}.
Quote from: Oldmanomis on March 05, 2015, 03:52:07 PM
Why are you running fog effects?
Do a google search of Turbo Fog. Look for a deck tech or a primer. They'll explain it better than I'm about to.
I'm running {Fog} effects because it buys me time. With time I get to ult Planeswalkers and win the game. Most strategies in modern right now involve winning via the combat phase (twin, delver, 98% of Abzan, Reanimator). I have a bad matchup vs Burn, Scapeshift and Mill. However, the intention is to have a sideboard that transforms into more of a control deck vs these nasties.
Quote from: E.kann1 on March 05, 2015, 04:11:08 PM
{remand} to make sure the things you need to resolve do resolve. Or {mana leak}.
I was debating those. What are you thinking? Cut a couple of {Fog} effects?
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 05, 2015, 04:08:20 PM
Quote from: Taysby on March 05, 2015, 03:30:40 PM
4 doubling season and no narset?
Yes. Narset isn't Modern legal yet and I still think she's a tad overrated. She may earn a slot later and I intend to playtest. Is four {Doubling Season} too many? Or is it just an excuse to run Narset?
Narset is modern legal...
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on March 05, 2015, 04:45:05 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 05, 2015, 04:08:20 PM
Quote from: Taysby on March 05, 2015, 03:30:40 PM
4 doubling season and no narset?
Yes. Narset isn't Modern legal yet and I still think she's a tad overrated. She may earn a slot later and I intend to playtest. Is four {Doubling Season} too many? Or is it just an excuse to run Narset?
Narset is modern legal...
Uh...no she's not out yet. Not {Narset, Enlightened Master}. {Narset Transcendent}.
I think what you mean is narset the PW hasn't been printed yet 😄. Either way I'm liking this deck. Consider some board wipes for the sideboard {Wrath of God} or {Supreme Verdict}. Now the walkers do have some blow up abilities but I'd say hedge your bets. Maybe {Path to Exile} As well because {Tasigur, the Golden Fang} Is a thing and you don't want him bringing something back. In that vain {Rest in Peace} or {Grafdigger's Cage}. {Torpor Orb}, {Defense Grid}, and {Ensnaring Bridge} are also some good artifact sideboard hate
I have a functional sideboard. I do need to add GY hate...thank you for the suggestions.
This deck is seriously ridiculously good.
{Venser, the Sojourner} preformed way better than I expected. Everytime one of my other PWers was in danger he saved them. When they catch onto that he saves himself (or my various fog effects do). They /have/ to one shot my PWers when Venser and {Doubling Season} are on the board or get smart and try to go wide, but Gideon stops that. And this is all just his first ability! The unblockable effect was much better than I expected. I'm loving this card and I've still never ult'd him.
{Gideon Jura}: I was quite skeptical at first. I am no longer. He is a repeatable fog, and with {Doubling Season} and {Venser, the Soujurner} on the board my opponent has to either do 14 damage in one turn, or wait until I'm blinking him and kill me. And unless they do 12 or more damage I get to pop one if their attackers before I blink him. All this, and I can still use the 0 to beat down if I've got nothing better to do.
{Ajani, Mentor of Heroes}: I am extremely glad I picked this version of Ajani. The +1/+1 counters are more relevant then I ever thought they'd be as they allow my mana dorks to play offensive or defensively. The dig ability is fantastic. His -8 draws out concedes vs all but the crazy or comboing.
I just played a game vs zombie tribal. Didn't draw a single {Fog} effect till I'd already sealed the game.
I highly recommend you guys try this deck on untap.in and see what I mean. Advice would be nice too.
Doubling season with the new Narset Planeswalker would be silly.
Quote from: Codester1991 on March 06, 2015, 12:33:51 PM
Doubling season with the new Narset Planeswalker would be silly.
Haha I didn't think of that
Quote from: Taysby on March 06, 2015, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on March 06, 2015, 12:33:51 PM
Doubling season with the new Narset Planeswalker would be silly.
That's the only reason I suggested her.
That's the only reason she's worth considering. Time will tell.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 06, 2015, 02:13:08 PM
Quote from: Taysby on March 06, 2015, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on March 06, 2015, 12:33:51 PM
Doubling season with the new Narset Planeswalker would be silly.
That's the only reason I suggested her.
That's the only reason she's worth considering. Time will tell.
Her plus ability is worth it for you because you only run 8 creature plus your lands. You don't have to many dead cards
Quote from: Prplprince on March 06, 2015, 02:14:18 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 06, 2015, 02:13:08 PM
Quote from: Taysby on March 06, 2015, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on March 06, 2015, 12:33:51 PM
Doubling season with the new Narset Planeswalker would be silly.
That's the only reason I suggested her.
That's the only reason she's worth considering. Time will tell.
Her plus ability is worth it for you because you only run 8 creature plus your lands. You don't have to many dead cards
I'd rather be digging four with {Ajani, Mentor of Heroes} or minusing {Jace, Architect of Thought}. It's just not that good. If I change to {Rampant Growth} type spells she may be even better. I'm rather undecided until I playtest. Thinking I'll drop {Holy Day} and a {Kiora, the Crashing Wave} to try her. Except that Kiora is my best win condition by far...maybe drop a {Fog} and a {Holy Day}? {Gideon Jura} has been amazing for keeping me alive so far...I mean I survived 30 swinging and won after boarding out all my fogs except {Dawn Charm}. I may bump up the {Gideon Jura} numbers add some {Mana Leak}/{Remand} and drop all the {Fog} and {Holy Day}...
There are so many ways to take this deck and I wanna playtest them all!
Bump. Deck tech update soon.
Im curious, how does Gideon play in matches?
Quote from: Skullguy725 on April 22, 2015, 03:56:16 PM
Im curious, how does Gideon play in matches?
Amazing vs anything that isn't control or non-creature based combo. I previously hyped him up.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 05, 2015, 08:22:27 PM
{Gideon Jura}: I was quite skeptical at first. I am no longer. He is a repeatable fog, and with {Doubling Season} and {Venser, the Soujurner} on the board my opponent has to either do 14 damage in one turn, or wait until I'm blinking him and kill me. And unless they do 12 or more damage I get to pop one if their attackers before I blink him. All this, and I can still use the 0 to beat down if I've got nothing better to do.
Even without {Doubling Season} and {Venser, the Sojourner} he's fantastic. He's part of the reason I cut the {Fog} and {Holy Day}.
How have you found this deck to work against decks heavy on hand disruption?
Quote from: Ekann1 on April 22, 2015, 09:08:12 PM
How have you found this deck to work against decks heavy on hand disruption?
Usually it gets wrecked. Sometimes it can pull through but that's usually opponent error. Or really amazing top decks. Otherwise it's {Leyline of Sanctity} or bust.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 22, 2015, 08:53:51 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on April 22, 2015, 03:56:16 PM
Im curious, how does Gideon play in matches?
Amazing vs anything that isn't control or non-creature based combo. I previously hyped him up.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 05, 2015, 08:22:27 PM
{Gideon Jura}: I was quite skeptical at first. I am no longer. He is a repeatable fog, and with {Doubling Season} and {Venser, the Soujurner} on the board my opponent has to either do 14 damage in one turn, or wait until I'm blinking him and kill me. And unless they do 12 or more damage I get to pop one if their attackers before I blink him. All this, and I can still use the 0 to beat down if I've got nothing better to do.
Even without {Doubling Season} and {Venser, the Sojourner} he's fantastic. He's part of the reason I cut the {Fog} and {Holy Day}.
Thanks, I think I'm sold on him
I think you want 4x {jace, architect of thought} since with a doubling season out you can grab whatever walker you want from your deck and whatever wincon from your opponents. I saw an awesome Travis Woo modern doubling season deck and Jace kicked butt for him. And I'd add {thragtusk} to the sb since he's even better with Ds.
Quote from: particle on April 23, 2015, 10:58:50 AM
I think you want 4x {jace, architect of thought} since with a doubling season out you can grab whatever walker you want from your deck and whatever wincon from your opponents. I saw an awesome Travis Woo modern doubling season deck and Jace kicked butt for him. And I'd add {thragtusk} to the sb since he's even better with Ds.
I always read Jace as each opponent! 😱 Im super stoked to mess with that! The problem is it's very hard to make room in this deck... {Elspeth, Sun's Champion} might bite it but I love the +1 and middle ability...
{Thragtusk} would add to my very busy 5 drop slot. Not too sold on him.
Your input, as always, inspiring. Thank you!
EDIT: Could I see a link to that list?
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 23, 2015, 03:28:36 PM
Quote from: particle on April 23, 2015, 10:58:50 AM
I think you want 4x {jace, architect of thought} since with a doubling season out you can grab whatever walker you want from your deck and whatever wincon from your opponents. I saw an awesome Travis Woo modern doubling season deck and Jace kicked butt for him. And I'd add {thragtusk} to the sb since he's even better with Ds.
I always read Jace as each opponent! 😱 Im super stoked to mess with that! The problem is it's very hard to make room in this deck... {Elspeth, Sun's Champion} might bite it but I love the +1 and middle ability...
{Thragtusk} would add to my very busy 5 drop slot. Not too sold on him.
Your input, as always, inspiring. Thank you!
EDIT: Could I see a link to that list?
Sure, happy to help. I can't remember the other awesome green dude he ran in the board that also makes tokens. I'll find the list and link it here.
Edit: here's dat jank: http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/woo-brews-modern-doubling-season/
That deck looks much more competitive than mine. So tempted to run Ugin now...might revamp soon.
I couldn't help but notice that you have 5 {dawn charm} in this deck
Quote from: Skullguy725 on April 27, 2015, 08:03:55 AM
I couldn't help but notice that you have 5 {dawn charm} in this deck
Indeed I do. Thank you sir.
So if you have {Doubling Season} Out and play {Narset Transcendent} It comes in with 12 counters or 6?
Quote from: Vindog on April 27, 2015, 04:00:38 PM
So if you have {Doubling Season} Out and play {Narset Transcendent} It comes in with 12 counters or 6?
12
Quote from: cltrn81 on April 27, 2015, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: Vindog on April 27, 2015, 04:00:38 PM
So if you have {Doubling Season} Out and play {Narset Transcendent} It comes in with 12 counters or 6?
12
Awesome
Quote from: Vindog on April 27, 2015, 04:30:17 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on April 27, 2015, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: Vindog on April 27, 2015, 04:00:38 PM
So if you have {Doubling Season} Out and play {Narset Transcendent} It comes in with 12 counters or 6?
12
Awesome
That's what takes this deck from good to holy wowzas. {Venser, the Sojourner} also resets people that were late to the party.
Just played an Abzan deck that combos hideaway lands, {Lotus Cobra} and {Primeval Titan} to crank out mana and {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}. Game one drew a whole lot of nothing (thanks to Ajani bottoming my {Supreme Verdict}s lost. Game two a T3 Kiora and timely {Supreme Verdict} won me the game. Didn't finish a game three but I was on T5 Jace into Jace into Jace into Ugin which would have stolen his Emmy's too.
Le bump.
By the way I just saw this:
{Gilder Bairn}
Quote from: Saulon on June 27, 2015, 09:55:05 AM
By the way I just saw this:
{Gilder Bairn}
The problem with that is that he lacks a way to tap it outside of attack which makes it much worse
Quote from: Munchlax on June 27, 2015, 12:22:17 PM
Quote from: Saulon on June 27, 2015, 09:55:05 AM
By the way I just saw this:
{Gilder Bairn}
The problem with that is that he lacks a way to tap it outside of attack which makes it much worse
{Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} could work
It's not worth it outside of the infinite combo. It really isn't. I have 0 creatures which lets me use {Supreme Verdict} without worry and blanks my opponents removal. I'd rather run {Contagion Clasp} or {Contagion Engine}, but both of those are too slow as well.
Btw the deck is already good, I just think that those type of cards are fun to play, but definetly are not good in competitive matches, if I was playing against a couple friends of mine I would use {Gilder Bairn} or {Contagion Clasp} just for fun. :)
Quote from: Saulon on June 28, 2015, 03:34:13 PM
Btw the deck is already good, I just think that those type of cards are fun to play, but definetly are not good in competitive matches, if I was playing against a couple friends of mine I would use {Gilder Bairn} or {Contagion Clasp} just for fun. :)
That's the difference between casual and modern. These decks are tournament material.
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 28, 2015, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: Saulon on June 28, 2015, 03:34:13 PM
Btw the deck is already good, I just think that those type of cards are fun to play, but definetly are not good in competitive matches, if I was playing against a couple friends of mine I would use {Gilder Bairn} or {Contagion Clasp} just for fun. :)
That's the difference between casual and modern. These decks are tournament material.
I dunno about this one. xD It was doing really well for a while but now it's pretty mediocre. I'll retool it soon.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 28, 2015, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 28, 2015, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: Saulon on June 28, 2015, 03:34:13 PM
Btw the deck is already good, I just think that those type of cards are fun to play, but definetly are not good in competitive matches, if I was playing against a couple friends of mine I would use {Gilder Bairn} or {Contagion Clasp} just for fun. :)
That's the difference between casual and modern. These decks are tournament material.
I dunno about this one. xD It was doing really well for a while but now it's pretty mediocre. I'll retool it soon.
Meta adapted and brought destroy planes walker cards?
Quote from: ConanEdo on June 29, 2015, 01:10:45 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 29, 2015, 08:27:02 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 28, 2015, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 28, 2015, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: Saulon on June 28, 2015, 03:34:13 PM
Btw the deck is already good, I just think that those type of cards are fun to play, but definetly are not good in competitive matches, if I was playing against a couple friends of mine I would use {Gilder Bairn} or {Contagion Clasp} just for fun. :)
That's the difference between casual and modern. These decks are tournament material.
I dunno about this one. xD It was doing really well for a while but now it's pretty mediocre. I'll retool it soon.
Meta adapted and brought destroy planes walker cards?
Or the fact that he's running a deck with over a third of it being CMC 4 or more and no deck manipulation/card draw below 4 CMC.
The idea is to just ramp but yes, some deck manipulation would be nice. Very hard to clear slots in this deck though.
The meta has been a lot faster lately. The {Fog} version would probably be better ATM. I can still steal games with an {Ajani, Mentor of Heroes} ult but that's not consistently doable before T5. It can happen T4 with a god hand but I don't draw those.
I think I need to work on the Planeswalker package as a lot of it is win-more vs some decks. More SB for certain matchups.
The deck tends to be ramping turn 1-3 so there isn't really room for card draw ATM. Should I try to make room?