Spoilers: http://mythicspoiler.com/mm2/index.html
Release Date: May 22nd 2015
MSRRP: $9.99
Eighth Edition -> New Phyrexia
English, Japanese and Simplied Chinese
Magic online 22nd of May
100% Reprints
249 Cards
Lots of new tokens
New art for some cards
Grand Prix, May 28th-31st - Las Vegas, Chiba Japan and Urecht - Japan and Euro venue can hold 5k players, Vegas can hold 10,000 players!
Confirmed Cards:
{Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}, {Etched Champion}
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/announcing-modern-masters-2015-edition-2014-12-08
Yes!!
Emrakul confirmed (http://i.imgur.com/uSbcoPs.jpg). It's also safe to assume that the other Eldrazi titans will be back also.
We don't know the print run this time. I would presume it would be higher then Modern Masters 1. They're printing it in multiple languages and having a number of prereleases.
Yay! I never got the chance to draft MM 1, so I'm glad to be able to draft this :D
Hum. Msrp $240 a box.
Quote from: Rass on December 07, 2014, 09:21:54 AM
Hum. Msrp $240 a box.
What do you expect? Mm1 is 350. And mm2 is gonna have similarly priced cards.
Posting for updates ... BUT YAAAAY!!!
What do you guys think about this sentence?
Every box of Modern Masters (2015 Edition) contains 24 booster packs—each with 15 randomly inserted game cards, including one premium card in every pack—making it perfect for exciting draft play.
With "15 randomly inserted game cards." Does that mean no set of commons, uncommons and a rare before the foil guaranteed? So could me mutiple rares in a pack maybe...
Oh. Yeah.
Quote from: Taysby on December 07, 2014, 10:33:00 AM
By that they mean that it's not a FTV set. It's a normal randomized pack.
Also, I WILL go to this GP in vegas. No Question.
Ah I see. And I'm definitely going to go to go Vegas as well, see you there. Also pissed no more russian foily {emrakul, the aeons torn}.
I knew when MaRo said that they were announcing something this weekend it would be Modern Masters 2! Kinda pissed at the $10 MSRP, but it should be fun.
Quote from: particle on December 07, 2014, 10:09:21 AM
Every box of Modern Masters (2015 Edition) contains 24 booster packs—each with 15 randomly inserted game cards, including one premium card in every pack—making it perfect for exciting draft play.
Also from this sentence, it says "one premium card per pack" does that mean a foil in every pack? If so that might be another reason for the $10 packs.
Quote from: The1337Magician on December 07, 2014, 11:34:03 AM
Quote from: particle on December 07, 2014, 10:09:21 AM
Every box of Modern Masters (2015 Edition) contains 24 booster packs—each with 15 randomly inserted game cards, including one premium card in every pack—making it perfect for exciting draft play.
Also from this sentence, it says "one premium card per pack" does that mean a foil in every pack? If so that might be another reason for the $10 packs.
Yes, one foil per pack, the same as MM which had an MSRP of $8. I think the higher MSRP is because of the new art.
What do you think the chances of them putting fetches into this set? I am going to say 50/50, it would be a way to get more in circulation, add to modern, and not anger collectors.
I think the fetches are more likely to be in Fate Reforged, Dragons of Tarkir, or the next fall set.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 07, 2014, 10:51:37 AM
What is cost for the Vegas GP?
Be nice if it was just $50
Now to find a store that will let me preorder a japanese box or two
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 07, 2014, 12:35:54 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 07, 2014, 10:33:39 AM
Also, no russian? Why!?
Sanctions
That .poo. is real
OMG, I can see the news story now, "Russian Magic players protest Russia's incursion on Ukraine."
{Damnation} pretty much confirmed due to its absence from Annihilation, Fate Reforged, and MM1.
Quote from: Taysby on December 07, 2014, 11:53:20 AM
It's msrp is higher because everyone got mad at wizards for giving it a msrp that no one would listen to.
Your not gonna be able to get packs at msrp
Quote from: Rass on December 07, 2014, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 07, 2014, 11:53:20 AM
It's msrp is higher because everyone got mad at wizards for giving it a msrp that no one would listen to.
Your not gonna be able to get packs at msrp
Depending on the print run, you might be able to get it at under MSRP. I think we can expect a high print run due to the fact that PT Dragons is modern. They decided to change that Pro Tour (as opposed to the others) specifically to bolster sales of this product. If it were a lower print run, they'd have made PT Fate Modern instead.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: Rass on December 07, 2014, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 07, 2014, 11:53:20 AM
It's msrp is higher because everyone got mad at wizards for giving it a msrp that no one would listen to.
Your not gonna be able to get packs at msrp
Depending on the print run, you might be able to get it at under MSRP. I think we can expect a high print run due to the fact that PT Dragons is modern. They decided to change that Pro Tour (as opposed to the others) specifically to bolster sales of this product. If it were a lower print run, they'd have made PT Fate Modern instead.
Less than MSRP is never going to happen.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on December 07, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: Rass on December 07, 2014, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 07, 2014, 11:53:20 AM
It's msrp is higher because everyone got mad at wizards for giving it a msrp that no one would listen to.
Your not gonna be able to get packs at msrp
Depending on the print run, you might be able to get it at under MSRP. I think we can expect a high print run due to the fact that PT Dragons is modern. They decided to change that Pro Tour (as opposed to the others) specifically to bolster sales of this product. If it were a lower print run, they'd have made PT Fate Modern instead.
Less than MSRP is never going to happen.
Probably not, but it could. With a larger run and if the quality of reprints aren't as high, some areas could get it at $8-9. That likely won't happen, but who knows WOTC has ducked up before.
Posting for updates
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2014, 03:52:42 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on December 07, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: Rass on December 07, 2014, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 07, 2014, 11:53:20 AM
It's msrp is higher because everyone got mad at wizards for giving it a msrp that no one would listen to.
Your not gonna be able to get packs at msrp
Depending on the print run, you might be able to get it at under MSRP. I think we can expect a high print run due to the fact that PT Dragons is modern. They decided to change that Pro Tour (as opposed to the others) specifically to bolster sales of this product. If it were a lower print run, they'd have made PT Fate Modern instead.
Less than MSRP is never going to happen.
Probably not, but it could. With a larger run and if the quality of reprints aren't as high, some areas could get it at $8-9. That likely won't happen, but who knows WOTC has ducked up before.
Still highly doubt it look at the last ftv. It had .poo. in it and was going for double at most lgs in Chicago.
I know some places that got MM, and they weren't card shops so they just sold MSRP. Hopefully will stay stocked this year too!
You got to keep the foils from the original MM draft, right? Otherwise, I feel like drafting would have been a huge rip off.
Nope you draft all 15 cards
"Foil spell snare or Sword of Fire and Ice"
Fuuuu...
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 07, 2014, 05:25:18 PM
"Foil spell snare or Sword of Fire and Ice"
Fuuuu...
Of all the problems to have...
Good deal! I wasn't into magic when the first MM came out.
Yay!
Quote from: Johng4490 on December 07, 2014, 04:40:43 PM
I know some places that got MM, and they weren't card shops so they just sold MSRP. Hopefully will stay stocked this year too!
Such as where?
CS or Japanese?
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 07, 2014, 07:16:11 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2014, 03:52:42 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on December 07, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: Rass on December 07, 2014, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 07, 2014, 11:53:20 AM
It's msrp is higher because everyone got mad at wizards for giving it a msrp that no one would listen to.
Your not gonna be able to get packs at msrp
Depending on the print run, you might be able to get it at under MSRP. I think we can expect a high print run due to the fact that PT Dragons is modern. They decided to change that Pro Tour (as opposed to the others) specifically to bolster sales of this product. If it were a lower print run, they'd have made PT Fate Modern instead.
Less than MSRP is never going to happen.
WOTC has ducked up before.
:-O
Suffixes.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 07, 2014, 07:16:11 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2014, 03:52:42 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on December 07, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: Rass on December 07, 2014, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 07, 2014, 11:53:20 AM
It's msrp is higher because everyone got mad at wizards for giving it a msrp that no one would listen to.
Your not gonna be able to get packs at msrp
Depending on the print run, you might be able to get it at under MSRP. I think we can expect a high print run due to the fact that PT Dragons is modern. They decided to change that Pro Tour (as opposed to the others) specifically to bolster sales of this product. If it were a lower print run, they'd have made PT Fate Modern instead.
Less than MSRP is never going to happen.
WOTC has ducked up before.
:-O
IDK, and by the time I noticed it people had already
Shut up and take my money. Oh wait, I don't have any...
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on December 07, 2014, 11:58:12 PM
Shut up and take my money. Oh wait, I don't have any...
Shut up and earn some money.
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on December 07, 2014, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on December 07, 2014, 11:58:12 PM
Shut up and take my money. Oh wait, I don't have any...
Shut up and earn some money.
You make it sound much easier than it is.
Per Reddit: the number listed on Emrakul is 3. Given that colorless cards go first, expect a reprint of 2 of these 3 cards:
{All is Dust}
{Artisan of Kozilek}
{Eldrazi Inscription}
Quote from: Noblellama on December 08, 2014, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: Cender on December 08, 2014, 07:19:45 AM
Per Reddit: the number listed on Emrakul is 3. Given that colorless cards go first, expect a reprint of 2 of these 3 cards:
{All is Dust}
{Artisan of Kozilek}
{Eldrazi Inscription}
I am 2/3 excited for those possibilities...
However, this isn't just a reprint of eldrazi so we could see something else early in the alphabet from another expansion.
Except that in order for it to be prior to Emrakul, it has to be a colorless nonartifact card from A-D. The list of colorless nonartifacts is short, and the ones from A-E is even shorter.
In case you haven't seen it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXsu9iWlDfk
Quote from: Noblellama on December 08, 2014, 07:19:45 PM
Quote from: Cender on December 08, 2014, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on December 08, 2014, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: Cender on December 08, 2014, 07:19:45 AM
Per Reddit: the number listed on Emrakul is 3. Given that colorless cards go first, expect a reprint of 2 of these 3 cards:
{All is Dust}
{Artisan of Kozilek}
{Eldrazi Inscription}
I am 2/3 excited for those possibilities...
However, this isn't just a reprint of eldrazi so we could see something else early in the alphabet from another expansion.
Except that in order for it to be prior to Emrakul, it has to be a colorless nonartifact card from A-D. The list of colorless nonartifacts is short, and the ones from A-E is even shorter.
There are 52 colorless artifacts in the letter A in modern boarders, not counting B,C,D or the first half of E...
Artifacts are at the end though. Only colorless non artifacts are at the beginning.
I believe it will be all is dust and eldrazi conscription.
I'm excited thinking about all the possibilities. Definitely worried {Goblin Guide} will be in mm2 (I have a playset). I'm seeing lots of talk that the phyrexian preators will be the mythic slots that the kamigawa dragons were in mma.
People still want/hope for fetches in the set, but I really don't see it.
If they printed fetches for MMS2 only people would lose their minds over how hard it would be to acquire playsetd
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 08, 2014, 09:19:03 PM
If they printed fetches for MMS2 only people would lose their minds over how hard it would be to acquire playsetd
Yeah, not to meantion the price gouging would be insane. I still stand by the idea that Wotc is saving the zen's for a big set in a the following years to sell massive sealed product.
Also how likely are cards reprinted in mma returning a second time. Eg. Cryptic, goyf, bob, etc. (playing the "how much money/value I lose game" :P ).
{Snapcaster Mage}
{Bitterblossom}
{Delver of Secrets}
{Serum Visions}
{Liliana of the Veil}
{Thundermaw Hellkite}
{Lightning Bolt}
Some of my guesses
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on December 08, 2014, 09:50:18 PM
{Snapcaster Mage}
{Bitterblossom}
{Delver of Secrets}
{Serum Visions}
{Liliana of the Veil}
{Thundermaw Hellkite}
{Lightning Bolt}
Some of my guesses
Not within the blocks though
{Serum Visions} I think is for sure in the set.
{NOBLE HEIRARCH} PER FAVORE
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on December 08, 2014, 10:25:01 PM
{NOBLE HEIRARCH} PER FAVORE
This will go up again if they print it
If we look at tarm and clique, especially if there is new art
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2014, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: The1337Magician on December 07, 2014, 11:34:03 AM
Quote from: particle on December 07, 2014, 10:09:21 AM
Every box of Modern Masters (2015 Edition) contains 24 booster packs—each with 15 randomly inserted game cards, including one premium card in every pack—making it perfect for exciting draft play.
Also from this sentence, it says "one premium card per pack" does that mean a foil in every pack? If so that might be another reason for the $10 packs.
Yes, one foil per pack, the same as MM which had an MSRP of $8. I think the higher MSRP is because of the new art.
MM had a 6.99 msrp.
The price of products change depending on which country you live in. In Australia, C14 decks are sold at around $60, where I hear my American mates say they're buying them for $35 a pop.
So MM packs will cost differently. MSRP is subjective.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 09, 2014, 10:15:54 AM
With an increase in Commander precon prices followed by an increase in pack prices of MM2, does anybdy see a price increase in the future of standard packs? Is wizards really gonna start gouging us for those extra dollars?
No
Quote from: GlowackAttack on December 09, 2014, 10:15:54 AM
With an increase in Commander precon prices followed by an increase in pack prices of MM2, does anybdy see a price increase in the future of standard packs? Is wizards really gonna start gouging us for those extra dollars?
I could see it. Look at the cost of other tcg. Isn't Pokemon $4.50 a pack and less cards.
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on December 08, 2014, 09:50:18 PM
{Snapcaster Mage}
{Bitterblossom}
{Delver of Secrets}
{Serum Visions}
{Liliana of the Veil}
{Thundermaw Hellkite}
{Lightning Bolt}
Some of my guesses
Yea it only goes from 8th edition through scars of mirrodin, so no innistrad. Maybe in mm 2016...
I know what I want for my birthday April 11th.. Utrecht is quite close by. Anyone know if there's prereqs for a GP?
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 09, 2014, 11:09:08 AM
I know what I want for my birthday April 11th.. Utrecht is quite close by. Anyone know if there's prereqs for a GP?
Heres magics page on gps:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/grand-prix-event-types-events
They are an "open tournament", meaning anyone who signs up before they sell out will get in.
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 09, 2014, 11:09:08 AM
I know what I want for my birthday April 11th.. Utrecht is quite close by. Anyone know if there's prereqs for a GP?
nice 411
Quote from: particle on December 09, 2014, 11:20:22 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 09, 2014, 11:09:08 AM
I know what I want for my birthday April 11th.. Utrecht is quite close by. Anyone know if there's prereqs for a GP?
Heres magics page on gps:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/grand-prix-event-types-events
They are an "open tournament", meaning anyone who signs up before they sell out will get in.
+1 Tx man
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 09, 2014, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on December 09, 2014, 11:09:08 AM
I know what I want for my birthday April 11th.. Utrecht is quite close by. Anyone know if there's prereqs for a GP?
nice 411
I like the day, but then, I'm biased :)
Me too ;)
Took a while, but I get him :0
Since this is coming out on my birthday y'all are buying me a box right? ;-)
I'm expecting/hoping this set will have:
{Birthing Pod}
{Noble Hierarch}
{Damnation}
{Melira, Sylvok Outcast}
{Phyrexian Arena}
Also TRON Lands...
Quote from: McAtoms on December 09, 2014, 05:46:34 PM
Since this is coming out on my birthday y'all are buying me a box right? ;-)
I'm expecting/hoping this set will have:
{Birthing Pod}
🌟🌟🎉🎉 {NOBLE HEIRARCH}🌟🌟🎉🎉
{Damnation}
{Melira, Sylvok Outcast}
{Phyrexian Arena}
Fixed
Posting to follow
I want me some {Fulminator Mage}s.
Pls don't reprint the fulminators
Quote from: gtfotis on December 19, 2014, 09:01:32 AM
Pls don't reprint the fulminators
If they do, they will barely drop. At $~15 a pack, they should hold pretty well.
Affinity staples. Specifically pretty much everything in the decklist I'm about to post.
Quote from: Wizardmook on December 21, 2014, 02:04:23 PM
{Noble Hierarch} pllllleeeeaaaaassseeeee!!!!!
This is pretty much a guarantee. Maybe he'll get closer in price to {birds of paradise}.
Quote from: particle on December 21, 2014, 03:48:50 PM
Quote from: Wizardmook on December 21, 2014, 02:04:23 PM
{Noble Hierarch} pllllleeeeaaaaassseeeee!!!!!
This is pretty much a guarantee. Maybe he'll get closer in price to {birds of paradise}.
The print run will not be that high. It would take a standard reprint to bring her that low.
Quote from: cltrn81 on December 21, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
Quote from: particle on December 21, 2014, 03:48:50 PM
Quote from: Wizardmook on December 21, 2014, 02:04:23 PM
{Noble Hierarch} pllllleeeeaaaaassseeeee!!!!!
This is pretty much a guarantee. Maybe he'll get closer in price to {birds of paradise}.
The print run will not be that high. It would take a standard reprint to bring her that low.
I still don't know if it would bring her to $5.00... I'd definitely run her over caryatid, and caryatid is $14!
Quote from: blackychan1 on December 23, 2014, 02:20:36 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on December 21, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
Quote from: particle on December 21, 2014, 03:48:50 PM
Quote from: Wizardmook on December 21, 2014, 02:04:23 PM
{Noble Hierarch} pllllleeeeaaaaassseeeee!!!!!
This is pretty much a guarantee. Maybe he'll get closer in price to {birds of paradise}.
The print run will not be that high. It would take a standard reprint to bring her that low.
I still don't know if it would bring her to $5.00... I'd definitely run her over caryatid, and caryatid is $14!
In standard? Exalted isn't worth *that* much. 2 toughness and 2 fewer colors to tap for (and one CMC) for exalted...
Quote from: griffin131 on December 23, 2014, 03:26:04 AM
Quote from: blackychan1 on December 23, 2014, 02:20:36 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on December 21, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
Quote from: particle on December 21, 2014, 03:48:50 PM
Quote from: Wizardmook on December 21, 2014, 02:04:23 PM
{Noble Hierarch} pllllleeeeaaaaassseeeee!!!!!
This is pretty much a guarantee. Maybe he'll get closer in price to {birds of paradise}.
The print run will not be that high. It would take a standard reprint to bring her that low.
I still don't know if it would bring her to $5.00... I'd definitely run her over caryatid, and caryatid is $14!
In standard? Exalted isn't worth *that* much. 2 toughness and 2 fewer colors to tap for (and one CMC) for exalted...
It's the T1 exalted that does it for me. (Also, imb paying UG aggro)
I'm wondering if any of the cards that could be unbanned next month could see print. WoTC banned a few boogey men early for modern, but as we've seen from {Bitterblossom} and {Wild Nacatl}, they really aren't that scary. I'm wondering if WoTC has been planning on a slow unbanning of many of the cards banned early and because they were confident they would unban them, could appear. For example: {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} could come off without too much of an impact, and I wonder WotC already planned to take it off the list, if they would put it in Modern Masters.
Why is everyone afraid of JTMS? He is great, but he is far from broken in Modern at this point. 2UU at sorcery speed and dies to Bolt unless they +2 immediately. It might see play in control, but it wouldn't be dominant or anything, it was only banned because when Modern was made WoTC was afraid of Faeries taking over the format (same reason {Bitterblossom} was banned). I also don't see how SFM is related, JTMS is a vulnerable 4 drop that doesn't really do anything too broken (would you pay {2}{U}{U} for a sorcery speed {Brainstorm}?) where as SFM is a 2 drop that can tutor up a {Batterskull} or any other equipment and put it into play for {1}{W}, that is quicker and more efficient than JTMS. Honestly though, I could SFM being a lot of fun in modern if {Batterskull} were banned because of {Puresteel Paladin} decks, but I highly doubt they will ban Batterskull because it was just a GP promo. JTMS wouldn't be broken, especially if they leave TC in the format. If between discard, burn, creatures and counterspells, you can't keep a Jace from ultying, what are you playing?
Quote from: Taysby on December 30, 2014, 08:57:18 PM
A repeatable draw3 (because of fetches) isn't broken? You are throwing a fit about cruise but think jtms is ok? Learn magic.
Wow, being an ass helps. It isn't draw 3, it's draw three, and put the worst 2 back, and if you have a fetchland, you can get rid of them. Also, it isn't very hard to kill him. TC is meta warping and unconditionally good, Jace is easy to deal with (the most played card in the format takes him down), Learn Magic. You can't attack TC and kill it, and TC doesn't cost {2}{U}{U}. It is cute that you think {Brainstorm} and {Ancestral Recall} are the same thing though.
Edit: the only reason they might not want to unban him is price (because he could rocket back up to $400 overnight) and they are afraid that TC leaving, and Jace coming in could lead too much of a swing.
Edit 2: If we want to continue this we should make another thread or go to the Modern Banlist thread.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 30, 2014, 09:36:47 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 30, 2014, 08:57:18 PM
A repeatable draw3 (because of fetches) isn't broken? You are throwing a fit about cruise but think jtms is ok? Learn magic.
Wow, being an ass helps. It isn't draw 3, it's draw three, and put the worst 2 back, and if you have a fetchland, you can get rid of them. Also, it isn't very hard to kill him. TC is meta warping and unconditionally good, Jace is easy to deal with (the most played card in the format takes him down), Learn Magic. You can't attack TC and kill it, and TC doesn't cost {2}{U}{U}. It is cute that you think {Brainstorm} and {Ancestral Recall} are the same thing though.
Edit: the only reason they might not want to unban him is price (because he could rocket back up to $400 overnight) and they are afraid that TC leaving, and Jace coming in could lead too much of a swing.
Edit 2: If we want to continue this we should make another thread or go to the Modern Banlist thread.
Since when does Bolt kill Jace? I'm sure any competent player playing against a red-ish deck would wind him up first at least.
I dunno. The reason I see JTMS as better than TC is that even If jace dies T1 of being out, you still get the equivalent of drawing three (putting three NEW cards in hand, not increasing hand count by three), and he is a threat that MUST be dealt with pretty quickly. Not because of his Ult, but because of the sheer card advantage, MAKING your opponent use his removal on it, thus dictating what your opponent uses his mama for. Also, he can be run more efficiently than TC in more decks, because mainly decks with only low cost spells (delver, burn, storm) can use TC efficiently early enough in the game that it matters.
3 cards is cool
But a PW who people have to move their strategy around is much better
One is like: ok go draw three cards
The other is like: Jace???!! (Opponent grabs head and slowly brings it to table as they contemplate what to do)
I think you all seriously overestimate the card. I have one, I play it, it's great, but it isn't the god you are all making it out to be. I think he would only be unbanned now if TC stays in the format and even then it would be debatable if people would even play it. It would get overrun with Delvers and Pyro-tokens. People remember that it from its reign of terror as a part of Caw-blade, but forget that modern decks are slightly better than {Bloodghast}/{Vampire Nighthawk} vampire tribal that Jace played against in standard.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on December 30, 2014, 09:56:58 PM
Since when does Bolt kill Jace? I'm sure any competent player playing against a red-ish deck would wind him up first at least.
Okay, so know you are playing {2}{U}{U} sorcery: scry 1 or fateseal one, during your next turn's mainphase, {Brainstorm}.
Quote from: Taysby on December 30, 2014, 10:39:17 PM
Treasure cruise gets you 3 new cards turn 6. Jace gets you 3 new cards turn 4,5 and 6. He can screw your opponent out of what they need or get you to what you need. You can repeatedly bounce their threats and his ult wins games. How is treasure cruise better than him?
Lol, turn 6? Have you seen Delver play a game? Comparing TC and Jace is really apples and oranges, because they have completely different applications and go in different decks.
Quote from: Taysby on December 30, 2014, 10:47:12 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 30, 2014, 09:36:47 PM
TC is meta warping and unconditionally good, Jace is easy to deal with. You can't attack TC and kill it, and TC doesn't cost {2}{U}{U}.
Jace would be meta-warping and unconditionally good. Just look at all its play in legacy.
Easy to deal with? In almost any deck with have there will be counters and first thing you'll do with him is dig 3 deep
Tc doesn't always cost 3, and you'll probably not be casting it for 1 on turn 4.
There is only one tier one deck that plays jace and a few fringe decks. He's not that format warping.
Quote from: Taysby on December 30, 2014, 10:47:12 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 30, 2014, 09:36:47 PM
TC is meta warping and unconditionally good, Jace is easy to deal with. You can't attack TC and kill it, and TC doesn't cost {2}{U}{U}.
Jace would be meta-warping and unconditionally good. Just look at all its play in legacy.
Easy to deal with? In almost any deck with have there will be counters and first thing you'll do with him is dig 3 deep
Tc doesn't always cost 3, and you'll probably not be casting it for 1 on turn 4.
Jace isn't really played that much in legacy anymore, really just Miracles and fringe play in Stoneblade decks (although most successful ones are now running {Young Pyromancer} and {Treasure Cruise} instead).
If you are playing it with Counterspell back up, you are going to be waiting for turns 6-8 (because {Spell Pierce} isn't usually effective on turn 5, {Mana Leak} isn't great turn 6, so you will usually need {Remand} on turn 6 or {Cryptic Command} on turn 8.
If you dig three, it dies to bolt, and if you plus it dies to Bolt/Snap or even Snap, Bolt, untap attack. Not to mention there are decks like that play cards such as {Lingering Souls} which is incredible against JTMS.
Ultimately, as power creep keeps ticking up, Jace will become worse and worse and JTMS will eventually be unbanned, I am not going to argue any more though.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 30, 2014, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 30, 2014, 10:47:12 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 30, 2014, 09:36:47 PM
TC is meta warping and unconditionally good, Jace is easy to deal with. You can't attack TC and kill it, and TC doesn't cost {2}{U}{U}.
if you plus it dies to Bolt/Snap or even Snap, Bolt, untap attack.
Thats's a lot of cards/tempo to devote to killing one permanent.....
So ... Urza's Lands?
More spoilers after FR finishes?
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 04, 2015, 07:50:46 PM
More spoilers after FR finishes?
Dragons of Tarikir comes out first (March), so unless something leaked, probably not.
I'm hoping for the filter lands from the lorwyn block
Quote from: Disturbed1jwh on January 10, 2015, 09:59:08 AM
I'm hoping for the filter lands from the lorwyn block
Seconded. I need me a {Flooded Grove} bad for three separate EDH decks and a {Rugged Prairie} for two others!
Quote from: Spikepit on January 10, 2015, 07:31:58 PM
Quote from: Disturbed1jwh on January 10, 2015, 09:59:08 AM
I'm hoping for the filter lands from the lorwyn block
Seconded. I need me a {Flooded Grove} bad for three separate EDH decks and a {Rugged Prairie} for two others!
They are EDH staples that see modern and legacy play, I want them in a standard set, not modern masters. I am hoping for {Grove of the Burnwillows} though, because I can't see that getting reprinted in standard.
How does the B/R affect Modern Masters 2015? There were a lot of people speculating on {Birthing Pod} and {Linvala, Keeper of Silence} in the set, and depending on when the set was finalized, they could still be in there.
Idk I feel like if it was finalized with pod in it they'd take it out
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on January 19, 2015, 11:02:25 PM
Idk I feel like if it was finalized with pod in it they'd take it out
It could likely have already been printed, Modern Masters is only a few months away.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 19, 2015, 11:35:53 PM
The biggest duck you from wizards ever - reprint pod parts but ban pod. Oh you opened a foil Melira??? Let me just stomp on your day, thanks for your 30$ to open this pack kid
True Dat
Quote from: GlowackAttack on January 19, 2015, 11:35:53 PM
The biggest duck you from wizards ever - reprint pod parts but ban pod. Oh you opened a foil Melira??? Let me just stomp on your day, thanks for your 30$ to open this pack kid
I had a foil Melira for a while. {Melira Sylvok Outcast}
I'm going to be buying a box from Waterstones. It's a book stop that sells magic at rrp. So no over priced bull.
What cards do you guys think will either take a big hit in price or will not move in price....maybe even go up like goyf did?
I think SB cards like {fulminator mage} will take a big hit if they get reprinted. Hopefully {leyline of sanctity} takes a hit as a result but that is one card that may stay solid even through a reprint......even though it is primarily a SB card.
Quote from: cltrn81 on February 10, 2015, 10:52:55 PM
What cards do you guys think will either take a big hit in price or will not move in price....maybe even go up like goyf did?
I think SB cards like {fulminator mage} will take a big hit if they get reprinted. Hopefully {leyline of sanctity} takes a hit as a result but that is one card that may stay solid even through a reprint......even though it is primarily a SB card.
I see any sideboard card taking a significant hit (maybe not layline or other 4 of's). Goyf will dip but not by much, I'm not running to sell my playset. Much more worried about a Confidant reprint since he's not seeing much play in the Junk lists... Clique probably won't lose too much value. All the mythics feel pretty safe. Things printed at uncommon will tank.
I would personally like to see few reprints from the original MMA since I bought that set and don't really want/need anything (although paths are always nice 😊😉)
Reprint swords
Young Peezy and Delver reprint almost assured.
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on February 11, 2015, 10:41:24 AM
Young Peezy and Delver reprint almost assured.
Not in '15, maybe in the next one. Anything from innistrad and more recent won't be in MM15
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 11, 2015, 04:54:27 PM
{Path to exile} reprint is my guess
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 19, 2015, 12:56:24 PM
I don't think they're going to reprint cards that were printed in MM1. Cryptic commands are nice, but they won't be in this next one... what are your guys thoughts?
Conflicting opinions.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 19, 2015, 01:52:23 PM
K BRO. YEAH, DIDN'T KNOW PATH WAS IN MM1. But thanks for contributing to the discussion.
Huh?
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 19, 2015, 01:52:23 PM
K BRO. YEAH, DIDN'T KNOW PATH WAS IN MM1. But thanks for contributing to the discussion.
Calm down, I'm just pointing it out. Not buying the "didn't know it was in MM1" because you literally said "reprint".
I'm feeling {ghost quarter}.
I think we will see a lot of MM reprints. Also really hoping for {Lightning Bolt} because is price is starting to get up there.
$2 is starting to get up there?
Quote from: Taysby on February 19, 2015, 06:23:46 PM
It's a bloody common that's been printed a billion times. $2 is way too much
That's what I thought. Click and see it hasn't really been printed as much as you would think.
Quote from: griffin131 on February 19, 2015, 06:09:46 PM
$2 is starting to get up there?
Quote from: Taysby on February 19, 2015, 06:23:46 PM
It's a bloody common that's been printed a billion times. $2 is way too much
Exactly this ^ We realistically shouldn't have any commons or uncommons in Modern that cost more than $3 or so, and if {Lightning Bolt} doesn't get reprinted it could easily spike. We don't need commons and uncommons costing people out of decks, this isn't legacy....
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on February 19, 2015, 06:32:50 PM
Quote from: griffin131 on February 19, 2015, 06:09:46 PM
$2 is starting to get up there?
Quote from: Taysby on February 19, 2015, 06:23:46 PM
It's a bloody common that's been printed a billion times. $2 is way too much
Exactly this ^ We realistically shouldn't have any commons or uncommons in Modern that cost more than $3 or so, and if {Lightning Bolt} doesn't get reprinted it could easily spike. We don't need commons and uncommons costing people out of decks, this isn't legacy....
$2 isn't ridiculous at all. Look at {Serum Visions}...
Quote from: Falcon182 on February 19, 2015, 06:37:07 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on February 19, 2015, 06:32:50 PM
Quote from: griffin131 on February 19, 2015, 06:09:46 PM
$2 is starting to get up there?
Quote from: Taysby on February 19, 2015, 06:23:46 PM
It's a bloody common that's been printed a billion times. $2 is way too much
Exactly this ^ We realistically shouldn't have any commons or uncommons in Modern that cost more than $3 or so, and if {Lightning Bolt} doesn't get reprinted it could easily spike. We don't need commons and uncommons costing people out of decks, this isn't legacy....
$2 isn't ridiculous at all. Look at {Serum Visions}...
I don't think its ridiculous, just think it should get reprint. {Serum Vision}s, {Path to Exile}, {Spell Snare}, {Spell Pierce} and {Remand} are all also cards that should get reprinted. I think Modern should reprint LB before it becomes a problem.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on February 19, 2015, 06:32:50 PM
Quote from: griffin131 on February 19, 2015, 06:09:46 PM
$2 is starting to get up there?
Quote from: Taysby on February 19, 2015, 06:23:46 PM
It's a bloody common that's been printed a billion times. $2 is way too much
Exactly this ^ We realistically shouldn't have any commons or uncommons in Modern that cost more than $3 or so, and if {Lightning Bolt} doesn't get reprinted it could easily spike. We don't need commons and uncommons costing people out of decks, this isn't legacy....
A foil is like 8 bucks
There had better be MM1 reprints. It would kind of defeat the purpose of trying to get people to play modern if they didn't reprint the MM1 staples as well.
Plus I want {Æther Vials} ;)
I'm going to move my desire from DD: Elspeth vs Kiora to here: I'm hoping {Voidslime}.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ErqkaBYZEzg
One of my buddies said he read on another site that says froma higher level source. Goyf , clique, mix opal, zen fetches. Will be mm2
Source..
I would put money on zen fetches not reprinted in mm2
{Tarmogoyf} is in
{Karn Liberated} too
{Tarmogoyf} confirmed
{Karn Liberated} confirmed
I'm happy to see both of those.
!!!
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 06, 2015, 03:20:45 PM
{Tarmogoyf} confirmed
{Karn Liberated} confirmed
Man... Now I gotta figure out which artifact to remove from my Kolkesh EDH to get in Karn...
Tarm still at mythic
We will see how much he drops and what % he is printed at. Much more mm2 than mm1 that's for sure
Now that we know that tarm is being reprinted at mythic, where do you think his price will land?
I would say it settles to 150, but also different versions different value. This will increase future sight goyf as staying on top
Good... Don't want it to go too far down. (I don't even have Tarms yet)
I've added mythic spoiler link to the OP.
{Simian Spirit Guide}, {Utopia Sprawl}, and {lightning bolt} sound reprintable.
Anyone think {spellskite} will be reprinted?
Quote from: Disturbed1jwh on March 08, 2015, 02:44:39 PM
Anyone think {spellskite} will be reprinted?
It very well could be. It's a very useful card and is found in many sideboards.
On an unrelated note, how much do you think boxes will be worth?
Quote from: The1337Magician on March 08, 2015, 03:08:33 PM
Quote from: Disturbed1jwh on March 08, 2015, 02:44:39 PM
Anyone think {spellskite} will be reprinted?
It very well could be. It's a very useful card and is found in many sideboards.
On an unrelated note, how much do you think boxes will be worth?
MSRP is 250.00. I'm hoping I can preorder at my LGS for that. But wouldn't be surprised if it was going for close to 300 by release
Preordered my 1st box
Now to sell my collection for another!
How much did you end up paying Muggy?
265 for the box
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 13, 2015, 04:28:16 AM
265 for the box
Man they aren't cutting any slack. You'd think since its 9.99 a pack and there were 26 packs you get it for 240-250 at least I mean regular boxes value out in the end around 170-180 but you can order those for 95-100 depending on where you buy em. Crazy!
Quote from: Codester1991 on March 13, 2015, 08:20:03 AM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 13, 2015, 04:28:16 AM
265 for the box
Man they aren't cutting any slack. You'd think since its 9.99 a pack and there were 26 packs you get it for 240-250 at least I mean regular boxes value out in the end around 170-180 but you can order those for 95-100 depending on where you buy em. Crazy!
MM wasn't supplied like normal sets are and the demand was ridiculous, people don't want to make the same mistakes
Keep in mind: most places will not sell packs at MSRP
Immediately with MM1 people were charging $11 instead of $8 per pack
Did you other through pgs or online muggy? I want one but I can't seem to find a place to decently preorder
My lgs has about 10 left at that price, they had 33 avail yesterday at midnight
What do you all think about the possibility of a Buy a Box promo? Modern Masters didn't have one, but Conspiracy and all standard sets do, so it could go either way.
Doubt it
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 15, 2015, 09:22:00 PM
Doubt it
I second that. Make more sour grapes if you do.
Quote from: Rass on March 15, 2015, 10:10:36 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 15, 2015, 09:22:00 PM
Doubt it
I second that. Make more sour grapes if you do.
What do you mean? Practically everyone loves Modern Masters. The promo doesn't have to be something crazy like Tarmo, it can be as simple as {Mana Leak} or {Lightning Bolt}
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 15, 2015, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 15, 2015, 10:10:36 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 15, 2015, 09:22:00 PM
Doubt it
I second that. Make more sour grapes if you do.
What do you mean? Practically everyone loves Modern Masters. The promo doesn't have to be something crazy like Tarmo, it can be as simple as {Mana Leak} or {Lightning Bolt}
Totally a promo is a promo and a collector is a collector. 😊
Does anyone know how this is going to be distributed? I talked to an lgs and they said no one who doesn't hold sci sanctioned tournaments is getting any boxes... Any truth to this?
Quote from: VQMracing on March 15, 2015, 10:56:33 PM
Does anyone know how this is going to be distributed? I talked to an lgs and they said no one who doesn't hold sci sanctioned tournaments is getting any boxes... Any truth to this?
Not 100%, but basically you have to be a real game store to get Modern Masters, so your LGS will, but Walmart won't. I think running FNM and stuff is a requirement to be a Wizards certified card shop (obviously not applying to Big Box stores.)
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 15, 2015, 11:01:27 PM
Quote from: VQMracing on March 15, 2015, 10:56:33 PM
Does anyone know how this is going to be distributed? I talked to an lgs and they said no one who doesn't hold sci sanctioned tournaments is getting any boxes... Any truth to this?
Not 100%, but basically you have to be a real game store to get Modern Masters, so your LGS will, but Walmart won't. I think running FNM and stuff is a requirement to be a Wizards certified card shop (obviously not applying to Big Box stores.)
So since my lgs is a Hastings I won't be seeing any? That sucks
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 15, 2015, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: Rass on March 15, 2015, 10:10:36 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 15, 2015, 09:22:00 PM
Doubt it
I second that. Make more sour grapes if you do.
What do you mean? Practically everyone loves Modern Masters. The promo doesn't have to be something crazy like Tarmo, it can be as simple as {Mana Leak} or {Lightning Bolt}
People are gonna cry because they can't get their hands on packs/boxes. Then you give another freebie to someone who gets a box. Incoming whining and bitching. Why give your customers another thing to complain about.
It would be like giving the Loch Ness tree fitty. It just don't make sense.
Can we take a moment to think how {remand} is still $15 and has already been reprinted once..
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 15, 2015, 11:32:37 PM
Can we take a moment to think how {remand} is still $15 and has already been reprinted once..
Now up to 16
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on March 16, 2015, 07:59:18 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 15, 2015, 11:32:37 PM
Can we take a moment to think how {remand} is still $15 and has already been reprinted once..
Now up to 16
Could have been rare...
Just preordered a 2nd box after an unexpected residual check :)
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 17, 2015, 12:59:24 AM
Just preordered a 2nd box after an unexpected residual check :)
Only in English? Where's the Russian and Japanese muggs?
Quote from: particle on March 17, 2015, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 17, 2015, 12:59:24 AM
Just preordered a 2nd box after an unexpected residual check :)
Only in English? Where's the Russian and Japanese muggs?
Not printed in Russian, already have MINE ordered in Japanese.
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 17, 2015, 10:40:50 AM
Quote from: particle on March 17, 2015, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 17, 2015, 12:59:24 AM
Just preordered a 2nd box after an unexpected residual check :)
Only in English? Where's the Russian and Japanese muggs?
Not printed in Russian, already have MINE ordered in Japanese.
Where'd you order a japanese mma?
Quote from: particle on March 17, 2015, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 17, 2015, 12:59:24 AM
Just preordered a 2nd box after an unexpected residual check :)
Only in English? Where's the Russian and Japanese muggs?
I won't be picky on mm
KTK block will be only in russian and then from then on I will be going for foil sets
Anyone wanna preorder a box? My lgs has 1 left PM me
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 17, 2015, 11:48:23 AM
Anyone wanna preorder a box? My lgs has 1 left PM me
How much for preorder?
Sold out
Announced at gama: only one printing
It's gonna get expensive!
Each pack has a mini deckbox to protect your cards
Yep
Larger printing than mm1 but still only 1 printing
Preorder prices I'm sure will increase now.
"Ugin fate" packs will be back but for other sets (not specifically ugin packs but special packs for prerelease)
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 17, 2015, 03:08:43 PM
Each pack has a mini deckbox to protect your cards
Source?
Lgs owner who attended Gama conference
Nextgen gaming in Los Angeles magic group is where it was posted
How much were they preordering for before they sold out at your shop?
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 17, 2015, 05:25:59 PM
Lgs owner who attended Gama conference
Nextgen gaming in Los Angeles magic group is where it was posted
Found it, but it is a closed group so I can't see what was posted.
Quote from: Falcon182 on March 17, 2015, 11:15:43 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 17, 2015, 10:40:50 AM
Quote from: particle on March 17, 2015, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 17, 2015, 12:59:24 AM
Just preordered a 2nd box after an unexpected residual check :)
Only in English? Where's the Russian and Japanese muggs?
Not printed in Russian, already have MINE ordered in Japanese.
Where'd you order a japanese mma?
My LGS :P
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 17, 2015, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 17, 2015, 05:25:59 PM
Lgs owner who attended Gama conference
Nextgen gaming in Los Angeles magic group is where it was posted
Found it, but it is a closed group so I can't see what was posted.
Ask to join?
Quote from: gtfotis on March 17, 2015, 05:47:02 PM
How much were they preordering for before they sold out at your shop?
262
Basically MSRP
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 17, 2015, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on March 17, 2015, 11:15:43 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 17, 2015, 10:40:50 AM
Quote from: particle on March 17, 2015, 10:17:09 AM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 17, 2015, 12:59:24 AM
Just preordered a 2nd box after an unexpected residual check :)
Only in English? Where's the Russian and Japanese muggs?
Not printed in Russian, already have MINE ordered in Japanese.
Where'd you order a japanese mma?
My LGS :P
How much you pay? Can you get more?
http://www.reddit.com/r/mtgfinance/comments/2zgfei/first_mm2015_preorder_prices/
It seems stores in Europe are starting to preorder boxes at 200 Euros (about $212), so actually under MSRP
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 18, 2015, 03:02:26 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/mtgfinance/comments/2zgfei/first_mm2015_preorder_prices/
It seems stores in Europe are starting to preorder boxes at 200 Euros (about $212), so actually under MSRP
shipping from Europe tho
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 18, 2015, 04:28:04 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 18, 2015, 03:02:26 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/mtgfinance/comments/2zgfei/first_mm2015_preorder_prices/
It seems stores in Europe are starting to preorder boxes at 200 Euros (about $212), so actually under MSRP
shipping from Europe tho
Yeah, but hopefully the trend continues here... That said, any preorder under $300 seems like a good move just in case.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 18, 2015, 04:54:29 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 18, 2015, 04:28:04 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 18, 2015, 03:02:26 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/mtgfinance/comments/2zgfei/first_mm2015_preorder_prices/
It seems stores in Europe are starting to preorder boxes at 200 Euros (about $212), so actually under MSRP
shipping from Europe tho
Yeah, but hopefully the trend continues here... That said, any preorder under $300 seems like a good move just in case.
Very true
Think it goes for all.. Just checked the prices for the mm2 GP. Starts at 70 euros, little under 100 bucks I think. What it Vegas doing?
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 18, 2015, 05:31:30 PM
Think it goes for all.. Just checked the prices for the mm2 GP. Starts at 70 euros, little under 100 bucks I think. What it Vegas doing?
That's only $76, a great deal
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 18, 2015, 05:35:10 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 18, 2015, 05:31:30 PM
Think it goes for all.. Just checked the prices for the mm2 GP. Starts at 70 euros, little under 100 bucks I think. What it Vegas doing?
That's only $76, a great deal
That's nice indeed.. Stay in Vegas will be a lot more expensive then the option I got now.. Staying at a friends house or flying to Vegas and hotel and casino.... Will be a 4 figure number even if I don't gamble :p
Oops, just checked for my conversion. 70 euros is about 76 dollar...
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 18, 2015, 05:53:16 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 18, 2015, 05:35:10 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 18, 2015, 05:31:30 PM
Think it goes for all.. Just checked the prices for the mm2 GP. Starts at 70 euros, little under 100 bucks I think. What it Vegas doing?
That's only $76, a great deal
That's nice indeed.. Stay in Vegas will be a lot more expensive then the option I got now.. Staying at a friends house or flying to Vegas and hotel and casino.... Will be a 4 figure number even if I don't gamble :p
Oops, just checked for my conversion. 70 euros is about 76 dollar...
What site?
Quote from: Vindog on March 18, 2015, 06:39:22 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 18, 2015, 05:53:16 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 18, 2015, 05:35:10 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on March 18, 2015, 05:31:30 PM
Think it goes for all.. Just checked the prices for the mm2 GP. Starts at 70 euros, little under 100 bucks I think. What it Vegas doing?
That's only $76, a great deal
That's nice indeed.. Stay in Vegas will be a lot more expensive then the option I got now.. Staying at a friends house or flying to Vegas and hotel and casino.... Will be a 4 figure number even if I don't gamble :p
Oops, just checked for my conversion. 70 euros is about 76 dollar...
What site?
?? Confused ??
http://events.tournamentcenter.eu/event/grand-prix for the Utrecht GP facts
Meant to quote the other one, what site are boxes going for 212 on in Europe?
Waiting for my LGS to start preorders for boxes but I'm still not sure if I'll be able to get one. Would StarCityGames be a good idea or even ordering off of Amazon?
Glad I got both of my boxes for $265 each. They will probably be at least $300 each
well, i was able to pre-order 2 boxes, but they didn't give me a price..
Quote from: VQMracing on March 22, 2015, 08:02:35 PM
well, i was able to pre-order 2 boxes, but they didn't give me a price..
Lol. Charging you 25k per box. Better hope your ready to turn it down.
Quote from: particle on March 22, 2015, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: VQMracing on March 22, 2015, 08:02:35 PM
well, i was able to pre-order 2 boxes, but they didn't give me a price..
Lol. Charging you 25k per box. Better hope your ready to turn it down.
Turn down for WHAT?
More than likely, but one can hope
So I'm not sure, but it seems like this print run is a loooot bigger than I thought, I preordered a box from my friend for msrp and he's getting 6 cases of MMA2015. It's a pretty small shop, so I'm hoping he just doesn't know what a case is. I'll let you guys know more when I do, haha.
It's 3x the print size of modern masters I believe.
Stil", people want tarms and eldrazi
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 23, 2015, 02:14:09 PM
It's 3x the print size of modern masters I believe.
Stil", people want tarms and eldrazi
They only got 1 box of MMA last time, so hearing that he ordered 30 threw me off, haha.
My buddies and I are going in on a case. My new LGS is one of the biggest in Denver and they're getting a crapload. Pretty much what I was told is, as long as I'm not trying to order 20 boxes, I'm good. He said I can order 10 if I want to. He's charging MSRP, so $240.
My lgs is also charging msrp for preorders and will let me order 6. If anyone is looking for one they can go through me if they pay upfront, pay shipping, and a small negotiable finders fee.
Basically 269 with tax
Don't forget tax
MSRP + tax is usually the case
Funny to see these prices my shop in town is doing the first 20 signed up $200 a box when there gone there gone
Quote from: Boomer17 on March 25, 2015, 04:04:27 PM
Funny to see these prices my shop in town is doing the first 20 signed up $200 a box when there gone there gone
Eyy sign me up
Kind of messed up that you find people paying more for something amusing, but okie doke.
Quote from: gtfotis on March 25, 2015, 06:37:37 PM
Quote from: Boomer17 on March 25, 2015, 04:04:27 PM
Funny to see these prices my shop in town is doing the first 20 signed up $200 a box when there gone there gone
Eyy sign me up
Kind of messed up that you find people paying more for something amusing, but okie doke.
Just sad that so many shops set the prices so high. The ship owner in my town said he gets them for I think 160. So at 200 he makes 40 bucks each and he is ok with that. I think that's also why people like buying there and giving him other bussiness
Depends on locale also. Stores gotta pay rent and keep AC running
Rent is much higher in LA than everywhere else other than manhattan.
True And this guy owns his building outright it's like an old corner store. No rent to pay just property tax i think.
Making easy money!
I'm not gonna be able to preorder. All my extra money is gonna be for GPLV
Not going to the GP after all, but my friends and I all pitched in on 6 boxes, 3 of which are mine. We're going to go draft crazy!
When do spoilers start for mm2?
Quote from: Ace on April 03, 2015, 06:40:03 PM
When do spoilers start for mm2?
Hopefully soon. I need to see some specific cards to know if I'm buying a box :/
Quote from: imthelolrus on April 03, 2015, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: Ace on April 03, 2015, 06:40:03 PM
When do spoilers start for mm2?
Hopefully soon. I need to see some specific cards to know if I'm buying a box :/
Goyf isn't enough??
I'm preordering 2
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on April 03, 2015, 07:06:22 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on April 03, 2015, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: Ace on April 03, 2015, 06:40:03 PM
When do spoilers start for mm2?
Hopefully soon. I need to see some specific cards to know if I'm buying a box :/
Goyf isn't enough??
At 240 minimum, a potential for a goyf is still not enough to make it worth the gamble yet. If you aren't making your money back its not worth it.
I mean, if the supply forces Goyf down to about 100, I'd rather just buy singles if there aren't really any other value cards. Mythic rarity op.
Reading is a critical skill for magic taysby
Quote from: GlowackAttack on April 04, 2015, 04:27:41 PM
^^^^worried about losing out on money when cracking packs
XD love it man
Not worried. Just doesn't make sense. Might as well just buy the cards you want.
At a glance, Taysby's display picture makes me think he's Trickey lol
Quote from: gtfotis on April 10, 2015, 08:37:27 PM
At a glance, Taysby's display picture makes me think he's Trickey lol
Run DMC tricky?
Does anyone know when more spoliers are out? I can't find anything on Google.
Preordered my box anyway 👍🏻
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on April 19, 2015, 08:38:27 AM
Does anyone know when more spoliers are out? I can't find anything on Google.
Preordered my box anyway 👍🏻
Set is out May 22, so the whole set should be spoiled by May 15. Now it depends on whether there are two or three spoiler weeks, my money is on two. My money is on May fourth, but it could be as early as April 27.
If you're in Chicagoland: Draxstar in Batavia is pre-ordering at $200 a box. $800 a case.
Quote from: McAtoms on April 19, 2015, 08:32:06 PM
If you're in Chicagoland: Draxstar in Batavia is pre-ordering at $200 a box. $800 a case.
Where?
Quote from: Rass on April 19, 2015, 08:44:43 PM
Quote from: McAtoms on April 19, 2015, 08:32:06 PM
If you're in Chicagoland: Draxstar in Batavia is pre-ordering at $200 a box. $800 a case.
Draxstar Games in Batavia, IL
Where?
Google
Quote from: Taysby on April 19, 2015, 09:01:22 PM
What's their number?
Doesn't matter gotta go in for it
Quote from: McAtoms on April 19, 2015, 08:32:06 PM
If you're in Chicagoland: Draxstar in Batavia is pre-ordering at $200 a box. $800 a case.
Thanks. Ordered mine.
Wish they were closer. Very clean place and the employee I dealt with was extremely friendly and helpful.
Clique reprint confirmed
Considering new optional clique playmat
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on April 22, 2015, 11:56:11 AM
Clique reprint confirmed
Considering new optional clique playmat
Dang you beat me. I'll link lsv's article.
http://www.channelfireball.com/home/mm15-preview-card-gp-vegas-side-event-playmat-and-supplies/
Quote from: particle on April 22, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on April 22, 2015, 11:56:11 AM
Clique reprint confirmed
Considering new optional clique playmat
Dang you beat me. I'll link lsv's article.
http://www.channelfireball.com/home/mm15-preview-card-gp-vegas-side-event-playmat-and-supplies/
Oh damn that's beautiful
Quote from: Taysby on April 22, 2015, 02:12:15 PM
I'll be getting like 5 of those mats from all the side events in doing. 😍
Send me one?
Quote from: Taysby on April 22, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
I'm planning on selling my extras. Those exclusive mats go for big bucks.
They're allowing you to exchange the main event mat (ie: {Etched Champion}) for the clique mat, so I'm not sure they can really be worth that much, since I'd expect a bunch of people to do that, the main event mat is pretty meh.
Quote from: ihasfrozen on April 22, 2015, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: Taysby on April 22, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
I'm planning on selling my extras. Those exclusive mats go for big bucks.
They're allowing you to exchange the main event mat (ie: {Etched Champion}) for the clique mat, so I'm not sure they can really be worth that much, since I'd expect a bunch of people to do that, the main event mat is pretty meh.
It's pretty much a gold Scars Game Day mat. It's pretty lame.
We shall see if MM2 drops prices of cards or if they will increase again.
Cliquing and goyf are so fun
should I presale for $200 a box? thinking of getting (4) boxes.....which is a case of MM2. for whatever reason a case is not (6) in MM2
(and I am not opening them......keeping them to sell in the near to distant future ;)
I can't afford to buy boxes of modern masters as they are getting solded everywhere at silly high prices for pre-order.
Quote from: cltrn81 on April 22, 2015, 06:27:53 PM
should I presale for $200 a box? thinking of getting (4) boxes.....which is a case of MM2. for whatever reason a case is not (6) in MM2
(and I am not opening them......keeping them to sell in the near to distant future ;)
Hells yeah. That's under MSRP, snatch those up.
In other news: three possibly record breaking GPs, the follow up to one of the most popular sets and best draft formats in the history of Magic, and its.....selling for under MSRP? Is it just me or does it seem like the print run has to be crazy high? This on top of Return to Zendikar (which most likely means another fetchland reprint) could mean the prices for modern staples could crash across the board....
{Vendillion Clique} reprint!!
Ok boys wish me luck. $800 for (4) boxes. I am not opening a (1)!
Quote from: cltrn81 on April 24, 2015, 12:53:01 PM
Ok boys wish me luck. $800 for (4) boxes. I am not opening a (1)!
Boy you be craycray
Quote from: Noblellama on April 24, 2015, 02:42:15 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on April 24, 2015, 12:53:01 PM
Ok boys wish me luck. $800 for (4) boxes. I am not opening a (1)!
my wife would kill me for paying $800 for 4 paper weights...
Paper weights that appreciate!
Quote from: Noblellama on April 24, 2015, 02:42:15 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on April 24, 2015, 12:53:01 PM
Ok boys wish me luck. $800 for (4) boxes. I am not opening a (1)!
my wife would kill me for paying $800 for 4 paper weights...
I showed her what MM1 boxes are currently selling for. I honestly plan to hold them for a year and hopefully sell for $300+. Wish me luck lol
Since I started selling stuff on TCG.....she has been pretty cool about it all. Before I just did it lol
Just heard a rumour from an acquaintance who knows someone that is familiar with the guy who spoiled the original modern masters set. Apparently he reckons the mythics are gonna be goyf, clique, bob, karn, emrakul, ulamog, kozilek, splinter twin, all is dust, tezzeret the seeker, elesh norn, iona and mox opal. And the 5 commands are being reprinted, along with noble heirach, goblin guide and fulminator mage. Take it with a grain of salt, but that is the word on the street.
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on April 26, 2015, 07:15:57 AM
Just heard a rumour from an acquaintance who knows someone that is familiar with the guy who spoiled the original modern masters set. Apparently he reckons the mythics are gonna be goyf, clique, bob, karn, emrakul, ulamog, kozilek, splinter twin, all is dust, tezzeret the seeker, elesh norn, iona and mox opal. And the 5 commands are being reprinted, along with noble heirach, goblin guide and fulminator mage. Take it with a grain of salt, but that is the word on the street.
if this is all true then I am happy I preordered my boxes. {Splinter twin} at mythic seems interesting choice.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on April 26, 2015, 09:21:42 AM
Fulminator at rare? If it was uncommon again...
{Fulminator mage} was rare
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on April 26, 2015, 07:15:57 AM
Just heard a rumour from an acquaintance who knows someone that is familiar with the guy who spoiled the original modern masters set. Apparently he reckons the mythics are gonna be goyf, clique, bob, karn, emrakul, ulamog, kozilek, splinter twin, all is dust, tezzeret the seeker, elesh norn, iona and mox opal. And the 5 commands are being reprinted, along with noble heirach, goblin guide and fulminator mage. Take it with a grain of salt, but that is the word on the street.
Dude that would be sweet.
I'm down for reprints of Noble Hierarch
I highly doubted they would seed junk mythics for this
Quote from: Taysby on April 26, 2015, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on April 26, 2015, 02:03:55 PM
I highly doubted they would seed junk mythics for this
They did the dragons in the last one.
The dragons are not junk mythics. They are EDH mythics. That's why I think it's kinda funny they named it "modern" masters, cuz there were quite a few cards that were reprinted in the set strictly just cuz EDH
Quote from: Ace on April 26, 2015, 06:55:29 PM
Quote from: Taysby on April 26, 2015, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on April 26, 2015, 02:03:55 PM
I highly doubted they would seed junk mythics for this
They did the dragons in the last one.
The dragons are not junk mythics. They are EDH mythics. That's why I think it's kinda funny they named it "modern" masters, cuz there were quite a few cards that were reprinted in the set strictly just cuz EDH
They are junk mythics. Kokusho is an actual EDH card, but it was banned when it came out. They were nothing but Junk Mythics
All is Dust
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/modern-masters-2015-edition/24988-all-is-dust
Austere Command
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/modern-masters-2015-edition/24997-austere-command
Quote from: bravado883 on April 26, 2015, 07:47:48 PM
Oh wait, Karn is SOM :P No Innistrad stuff is for sure though, right?
Nope, the set is basically Modern Masters 1 with Zendikar and Scars block added: absolutely nothing past New Phyrexia.
These were spoiled according to MTGSal:
11 hours ago - Fulminator Mage
11 hours ago - Goblin Guide
11 hours ago - Noble Hierarch
11 hours ago - Austere Command
11 hours ago - Primal Command
11 hours ago - Incendiary Command
11 hours ago - Cryptic Command
11 hours ago - Profane Command
11 hours ago - Mox Opal
11 hours ago - Splinter Twin
11 hours ago - Iona, Shield of Emeria
11 hours ago - Tezzeret the Seeker
11 hours ago - All is Dust
11 hours ago - Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
11 hours ago - Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
11 hours ago - Dark Confidant
To move or not to move my {Goblin Guide}s 😕
Damn these spoilers are making me giddy. I knew wotc really wants to sell this set but datum, everything looks sexy so far. Needs more alt art but otherwise I'm super happy.
Quote from: Cender on December 08, 2014, 07:19:45 AM
Per Reddit: the number listed on Emrakul is 3. Given that colorless cards go first, expect a reprint of 2 of these 3 cards:
{All is Dust}
{Artisan of Kozilek}
{Eldrazi Inscription}
Based on most recent reveals All is Dust is in. Only One of the other two is in as well.
I almost feel like ordering more. With my recent overtime and side work. Must resist
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on April 27, 2015, 08:22:29 AM
To move or not to move my {Goblin Guide}s 😕
They gonna tank now either way right?
Hold on for long term in a corner somewhere?
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on April 27, 2015, 09:38:22 AM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on April 27, 2015, 08:22:29 AM
To move or not to move my {Goblin Guide}s 😕
They gonna tank now either way right?
Hold on for long term in a corner somewhere?
They haven't moved. Although, I'm a sucker for set symbols. Not having cards from original sets bugs the crap out of me. I know I'll just end up picking 'em up again anyways.
So I'm on a burn out of mtg. But I have an option to get a box for $230. I don't know if I should take it or not.
I could prolly buy it for $230 and sell in for $300 in a month or so.
Quote from: Avnger345 on April 27, 2015, 03:53:50 PM
So I'm on a burn out of mtg. But I have an option to get a box for $230. I don't know if I should take it or not.
I could prolly buy it for $230 and sell in for $300 in a month or so.
If you're planning to flip. Just save your money, a $230-250 investment (taxes) to come out for a $30-$50 profit (MAYBE) isn't a good investment.
Now if you're planning to draft it or collect, then yeah. Go for it.
Need more spoilers.
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on April 27, 2015, 04:11:29 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on April 27, 2015, 03:53:50 PM
So I'm on a burn out of mtg. But I have an option to get a box for $230. I don't know if I should take it or not.
I could prolly buy it for $230 and sell in for $300 in a month or so.
If you're planning to flip. Just save your money, a $230-250 investment (taxes) to come out for a $30-$50 profit (MAYBE) isn't a good investment.
Now if you're planning to draft it or collect, then yeah. Go for it.
It's a 15%-20% return over 6-12 months. Not bad at all from an investment standpoint. Better than you'll make on any similarly priced stock.
Quote from: McAtoms on April 28, 2015, 11:16:20 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on April 27, 2015, 04:11:29 PM
Quote from: Avnger345 on April 27, 2015, 03:53:50 PM
So I'm on a burn out of mtg. But I have an option to get a box for $230. I don't know if I should take it or not.
I could prolly buy it for $230 and sell in for $300 in a month or so.
If you're planning to flip. Just save your money, a $230-250 investment (taxes) to come out for a $30-$50 profit (MAYBE) isn't a good investment.
Now if you're planning to draft it or collect, then yeah. Go for it.
It's a 15%-20% return over 6-12 months. Not bad at all from an investment standpoint. Better than you'll make on any similarly priced stock.
depending how you sell it you could be out 10-12% selling online and that is before figuring out shipping. that eats your margin up pretty quick
It would be one thing if we were talking thousands, but were talking low hundreds and making $50 for spending 240-260 6 months ago just seems bad.
That is if you buy one. If you'll hoard more, profits will rise.
Spellskite spoiled!
FULMINATORS AT MYTHIC. WHYYYY.
Path to exile s going to be reprinted, right?
July fmn promo
I am guessing {bitterblossum} as the next black mythic announced
Or something random like {Sorin markov}
Quote from: cltrn81 on April 30, 2015, 08:33:33 AM
I am guessing {bitterblossum} as the next black mythic announced
Or something random like {Sorin markov}
{Liliana of the Veil} 😁
Quote from: cltrn81 on April 30, 2015, 08:33:33 AM
I am guessing {bitterblossum} as the next black mythic announced
Or something random like {Sorin markov}
Agreed on bitterblossom. It's too popular to only have 1 printing.
And selfishly: I need 4. So an increase in available volume would be nice.
Quote from: The1337Magician on April 30, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on April 30, 2015, 08:33:33 AM
I am guessing {bitterblossum} as the next black mythic announced
Or something random like {Sorin markov}
{Liliana of the Veil} 😁
NOTHING FROM INNISTRAD, RTR, THEROS, OR KHANS BLOCK WILL BE IN MODERN MASTERS 2017. All cards will be from 8th Edition to Scars of Mirrodin
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on April 30, 2015, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: The1337Magician on April 30, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on April 30, 2015, 08:33:33 AM
I am guessing {bitterblossum} as the next black mythic announced
Or something random like {Sorin markov}
{Liliana of the Veil} 😁
NOTHING FROM INNISTRAD, RTR, THEROS, OR KHANS BLOCK WILL BE IN MODERN MASTERS 2017. All cards will be from 8th Edition to Scars of Mirrodin
T'was only a joke. I already knew that. Sorry if I offended you...
Quote from: The1337Magician on April 30, 2015, 05:08:46 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on April 30, 2015, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: The1337Magician on April 30, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on April 30, 2015, 08:33:33 AM
I am guessing {bitterblossum} as the next black mythic announced
Or something random like {Sorin markov}
{Liliana of the Veil} 😁
NOTHING FROM INNISTRAD, RTR, THEROS, OR KHANS BLOCK WILL BE IN MODERN MASTERS 2017. All cards will be from 8th Edition to Scars of Mirrodin
T'was only a joke. I already knew that. Sorry if I offended you...
Lol, not offended, but as I scour MTG forums and Reddit people keep saying stuff like, "I wonder if Snapcaster will be in it," or "LOTV is basically confirmed," and it annoys me, like really? You can't take the two minutes it takes to skim the announcement? As for {Bitterblossom} and {Sorin Markov}, I really hope neither are Mythics, I want BB at rare because its price is just stupid, and Sorin doesn't see modern play, doesn't need a reprint, and could be printed in a standard set, so I hope they don't waste a mythic spot on him.
Scg spoiled:
{Rusted relic}
{dismember}
{blood throne vampire}
{Daybreak Coronet} (!!!)
{edrik sar, master breeder}
{primeval Titan}
Will we see Bogles be a thing here?? I just decided to build that deck, so I'm stoked.
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on May 04, 2015, 11:17:19 AM
Scg spoiled:
{Rusted relic}
{dismember}
{blood throne vampire}
{Daybreak Coronet} (!!!)
{edrik sar, master breeder}
{primeval Titan}
Will we see Bogles be a thing here?? I just decided to build that deck, so I'm stoked.
DBC!!!
Also {Mirran crusader}, {vampire lacerator}, {goblin fireslinger}, {stormblood berserker}.
I literally just sold my {daybreak coronet} playset on tcg at $30 a pop. Good timing I suppose
{Kozilek, butcher of truth} spoiled.
Posting to stay updated at a very late timing.
{swans of bryn argoll}. Hopefully some big burn spell like {blasphemous act} (though not exactly).
Bitterblossum confirmed!
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 04, 2015, 11:41:29 PM
Bitterblossum confirmed!
{Bitterblossum} and {lightning bolt} both confirmed
Quote from: Ace on May 05, 2015, 01:36:27 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 04, 2015, 11:41:29 PM
Bitterblossum confirmed!
{Bitterblossum} and {lightning bolt} both confirmed
Nooooo my full art bolt's value is threatened!
Quote from: gtfotis on May 05, 2015, 04:32:12 AM
Quote from: Ace on May 05, 2015, 01:36:27 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 04, 2015, 11:41:29 PM
Bitterblossum confirmed!
{Bitterblossum} and {lightning bolt} both confirmed
Nooooo my full art bolt's value is threatened!
Probably not. People are still going to want their full arts and they're pimp cards
I.O.N.A.
{Apocalypse Hydra} reprint at rare instead of mythic.
{Hurkyl's Recall} reprint at rare. WHOOO!
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on May 05, 2015, 08:39:26 AM
{Hurkyl's Recall} reprint at rare. WHOOO!
Just recently traded mine off too 😉
interestingly enough only {Profane Command} and {Cryptic Command} are in per Aaron Forsythe, not the whole cycle as was previously leaked on mythicspoiler and other sites.
I just want another {Blood Moon} reprint.
They should stop making modern masters. It's shamelessly profiting off of us while giving us nothing new in return. Especially at the stupid MSRP they list it at. We don't even get new art
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
They should stop making modern masters. It's shamelessly profiting off of us while giving us nothing new in return. Especially at the stupid MSRP they list it at. We don't even get new art
I disagree so much here. It offers is more cards to purchase for modern (a great format) that is now easier to access :D sure the mm packs are pricey but the cards in those packs are expensive too so it's hard to not charge a lot
Every card printed is now on reserved list. Problem fixed. Reprint spells with new terrible names or change mana cost to 4cmc before anything can really be played or done
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 05, 2015, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
They should stop making modern masters. It's shamelessly profiting off of us while giving us nothing new in return. Especially at the stupid MSRP they list it at. We don't even get new art
I disagree so much here. It offers is more cards to purchase for modern (a great format) that is now easier to access :D sure the mm packs are pricey but the cards in those packs are expensive too so it's hard to not charge a lot
Unless they massively reprint all the fetches and staples, it won't be accessible. The fact that a solid modern deck can cost 4 digits to make is astoundingly dumb, and ends up very elitist.
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 05, 2015, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
They should stop making modern masters. It's shamelessly profiting off of us while giving us nothing new in return. Especially at the stupid MSRP they list it at. We don't even get new art
I disagree so much here. It offers is more cards to purchase for modern (a great format) that is now easier to access :D sure the mm packs are pricey but the cards in those packs are expensive too so it's hard to not charge a lot
Unless they massively reprint all the fetches and staples, it won't be accessible. The fact that a solid modern deck can cost 4 digits to make is astoundingly dumb, and ends up very elitist.
I mean some cards are going to be expensive, at this poin you can build a modern deck for fairly cheap
Mm2 is supposed to be the salvation of modern. We will see
Will there be another modern event deck?
{Leyline of Sanctity}, {Indomitable Archangel} added to the spoilers. Both at rare
This set is so much win so far.
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 05, 2015, 05:37:52 PM
This set is so much win so far.
They release the good cards first so you can get disappointed latsr
Quote from: Munchlax on May 05, 2015, 05:42:22 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 05, 2015, 05:37:52 PM
This set is so much win so far.
They release the good cards first so you can get disappointed latsr
True
They need to get the uncommons out of the way. Need to know about spell snare and paths.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on May 05, 2015, 05:55:42 PM
They need to get the uncommons out of the way. Need to know about spell snare and paths.
Path seems more likely than snare (I think Wotc is happy with where snare is in price). I'm more curious if {Remand} or {Aven Mindcensor} are in :/
So we have 10 out of 15 mythics spoiled. Assuming the Titans is a cycle, there is only one we don't know. If they keep the colors relatively balanced, its likely red. Maybe Kiki again?
The Mythics we have spoiled are:
{Iona, Shield of Emeria}
{Vendillion Clique}
{Dark Confidant}
{Bitterblossom}
{Primeval Titan}
{Tarmogoyf}
The Eldrazi
{Karn Liberated}
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 05, 2015, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
They should stop making modern masters. It's shamelessly profiting off of us while giving us nothing new in return. Especially at the stupid MSRP they list it at. We don't even get new art
I disagree so much here. It offers is more cards to purchase for modern (a great format) that is now easier to access :D sure the mm packs are pricey but the cards in those packs are expensive too so it's hard to not charge a lot
Unless they massively reprint all the fetches and staples, it won't be accessible. The fact that a solid modern deck can cost 4 digits to make is astoundingly dumb, and ends up very elitist.
Less than 2 solid Standard decks can equal out to a very solid Modern deck. Just saying.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on May 05, 2015, 07:05:16 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 05, 2015, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
They should stop making modern masters. It's shamelessly profiting off of us while giving us nothing new in return. Especially at the stupid MSRP they list it at. We don't even get new art
I disagree so much here. It offers is more cards to purchase for modern (a great format) that is now easier to access :D sure the mm packs are pricey but the cards in those packs are expensive too so it's hard to not charge a lot
Unless they massively reprint all the fetches and staples, it won't be accessible. The fact that a solid modern deck can cost 4 digits to make is astoundingly dumb, and ends up very elitist.
Less than 2 solid Standard decks can equal out to a very solid Modern deck. Just saying.
Most of the decks I'd want to play are $500-$600 range. That's not cheap, but it's eternal value. And 4 {Leyline of Sanctity} is $120 right up front for most decks.
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
They should stop making modern masters. It's shamelessly profiting off of us while giving us nothing new in return. Especially at the stupid MSRP they list it at. We don't even get new art
Except there is new art. And it does increase supply which should lower prices, at least for the short term.
And Modern isn't hugely more expensive than Standard right now.
Hulk combo is a little under 200.
Primal crux green is in that same range
Seismic swans is 400-500
Update! Primalcrux green is no longer around two hundred. When I first put it together it was but its collective worth had dropped about 60-70 dollars since then
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 05, 2015, 07:09:30 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on May 05, 2015, 07:05:16 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 05, 2015, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
They should stop making modern masters. It's shamelessly profiting off of us while giving us nothing new in return. Especially at the stupid MSRP they list it at. We don't even get new art
I disagree so much here. It offers is more cards to purchase for modern (a great format) that is now easier to access :D sure the mm packs are pricey but the cards in those packs are expensive too so it's hard to not charge a lot
Unless they massively reprint all the fetches and staples, it won't be accessible. The fact that a solid modern deck can cost 4 digits to make is astoundingly dumb, and ends up very elitist.
Less than 2 solid Standard decks can equal out to a very solid Modern deck. Just saying.
Most of the decks I'd want to play are $500-$600 range. That's not cheap, but it's eternal value. And 4 {Leyline of Sanctity} is $120 right up front for most decks.
Except the only real eternal value is n the Reserved list. You could spend that $120 on the Leylines, and the next day they could spoil if in a set....say modern masters....and a in a few months be worth $10-15 total.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 05, 2015, 07:43:09 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 05, 2015, 07:09:30 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on May 05, 2015, 07:05:16 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 05, 2015, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
They should stop making modern masters. It's shamelessly profiting off of us while giving us nothing new in return. Especially at the stupid MSRP they list it at. We don't even get new art
I disagree so much here. It offers is more cards to purchase for modern (a great format) that is now easier to access :D sure the mm packs are pricey but the cards in those packs are expensive too so it's hard to not charge a lot
Unless they massively reprint all the fetches and staples, it won't be accessible. The fact that a solid modern deck can cost 4 digits to make is astoundingly dumb, and ends up very elitist.
Less than 2 solid Standard decks can equal out to a very solid Modern deck. Just saying.
Most of the decks I'd want to play are $500-$600 range. That's not cheap, but it's eternal value. And 4 {Leyline of Sanctity} is $120 right up front for most decks.
Except the only real eternal value is n the Reserved list. You could spend that $120 on the Leylines, and the next day they could spoil if in a set....say modern masters....and a in a few months be worth $10-15 total.
I'll be shocked and amazed if that happens to their value. Besides, unless something better shows up they'll increase in value again as the market settles.
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
They should stop making modern masters. It's shamelessly profiting off of us while giving us nothing new in return. Especially at the stupid MSRP they list it at. We don't even get new art
It provides more printings of expendive, in demand cards and staples that haven't been printed for a while. No one is forcing you to buy any of it.
I wouldn't mind seeing another {Lava Spike} reprint.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 05, 2015, 06:12:36 PM
So we have 10 out of 15 mythics spoiled. Assuming the Titans is a cycle, there is only one we don't know. If they keep the colors relatively balanced, its likely red. Maybe Kiki again?
The Mythics we have spoiled are:
{Iona, Shield of Emeria}
{Vendillion Clique}
{Dark Confidant}
{Bitterblossom}
{Primeval Titan}
{Tarmogoyf}
The Eldrazi
{Karn Liberated}
{Mox opal}
Now I have pick up a playset of the new art Finkles...
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 05, 2015, 09:07:15 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 05, 2015, 06:12:36 PM
So we have 10 out of 15 mythics spoiled. Assuming the Titans is a cycle, there is only one we don't know. If they keep the colors relatively balanced, its likely red. Maybe Kiki again?
The Mythics we have spoiled are:
{Iona, Shield of Emeria}
{Vendillion Clique}
{Dark Confidant}
{Bitterblossom}
{Primeval Titan}
{Tarmogoyf}
The Eldrazi
{Karn Liberated}
{Mox opal}
Good point, so we either have the titans and nothing else, or the rest of the titans aren't hers
{dispatch} and {surgical extraction} confirmed. 50% of the janky combo deck is here. Needs {shelldock isle} and {shadowborn apostle}. Figure it out.
Does {Dispatch} being spoiled mean no {Path to Exile} reprint?
Also spoiled:
{Blinkmoth Nexus}! W00t!
{Creakwood Leige}
{Horde of Notions} I guess that five color good-stuff is a thing again.
Quote from: The1337Magician on May 06, 2015, 08:17:57 AM
Does {Dispatch} being spoiled mean no {Path to Exile} reprint?
Also spoiled:
{Blinkmoth Nexus}! W00t!
{Creakwood Leige}
{Horde of Notions} I guess that five color good-stuff is a thing again.
Creakwood is so good 😊
Quote from: GlowackAttack on May 06, 2015, 11:18:25 AM
This set is literally just good stuff.
I really want to see the commons, I can't wait to draft this stuff but the Rares don't matter a whole lot in limited (minus obvious bombs).
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on May 06, 2015, 12:36:49 AM
{dispatch} and {surgical extraction} confirmed. 50% of the janky combo deck is here. Needs {shelldock isle} and {shadowborn apostle}. Figure it out.
What combo deck?
Quote from: Vindog on May 06, 2015, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on May 06, 2015, 12:36:49 AM
{dispatch} and {surgical extraction} confirmed. 50% of the janky combo deck is here. Needs {shelldock isle} and {shadowborn apostle}. Figure it out.
What combo deck?
Something about {Surgical Extraction}ing your deck made mostly of {Shadowborn Apostle}. Not sure how {Dispatch} works into it but {Shelldock Isle} could trigger because your deck just got exiled.
Quote from: Wizardmook on May 06, 2015, 02:07:28 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 05, 2015, 07:43:09 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 05, 2015, 07:09:30 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on May 05, 2015, 07:05:16 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 05, 2015, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on May 05, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
They should stop making modern masters. It's shamelessly profiting off of us while giving us nothing new in return. Especially at the stupid MSRP they list it at. We don't even get new art
I disagree so much here. It offers is more cards to purchase for modern (a great format) that is now easier to access :D sure the mm packs are pricey but the cards in those packs are expensive too so it's hard to not charge a lot
Unless they massively reprint all the fetches and staples, it won't be accessible. The fact that a solid modern deck can cost 4 digits to make is astoundingly dumb, and ends up very elitist.
Less than 2 solid Standard decks can equal out to a very solid Modern deck. Just saying.
Most of the decks I'd want to play are $500-$600 range. That's not cheap, but it's eternal value. And 4 {Leyline of Sanctity} is $120 right up front for most decks.
Except the only real eternal value is n the Reserved list. You could spend that $120 on the Leylines, and the next day they could spoil if in a set....say modern masters....and a in a few months be worth $10-15 total.
This is by far the silliest finance prediction I've seen, they will dip temporarily but will be back up going strong so a limited window to grab the staples at a semi reasonable price.
You are right, I meant to say $10-15 each, $2.50-3.66 is unreasonable
{Remand} with sucky art confirmed. Also {necroskitter}, because they can't ALL be bomb money cards that are good in limited.
EDIT WHY IS NECROSKITTER A $5 CARD AND $30 FOIL.
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on May 07, 2015, 12:31:58 AM
{Remand} with sucky art confirmed. Also {necroskitter}, because they can't ALL be bomb money cards that are good in limited.
EDIT WHY IS NECROSKITTER A $5 CARD AND $30 FOIL.
Oh {snap}... {necroskitter} will do well in my Alesha TL...
TL is why he is costly. He is a boss in my doran TL deck.
RAV Bounce lands confirmed at uncommon.
{Mystic Snake} and {Sunforger} at rare.
{Comet Storm} at Mythic...
God bless your soul if you crack this as your only mythic. 😞
Looks like your favorite goblin is back {Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker}
There's yor 15 mythics
Comet storm :/
Niv fire mind confirmed
https://twitter.com/maro254/status/596373000808628224
Ze junk rares now :(
Interesting to note {goblin Guide} still not confirmed by Wizards. Still listing on Mythicspoiler. Wondering if this is like the Commands cycle before it where the source was inaccurate.
I wouldn't mind seeing {Mana Tithe} Reprint.
{Ant Queen}
https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/596428495770652672
{Nobilis of War}
https://twitter.com/trickmtg/status/596375050258747392
Quote from: rarehuntertay on May 07, 2015, 05:56:31 PM
{Ant Queen}
https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/596428495770652672
{Nobilis of War}
https://twitter.com/trickmtg/status/596375050258747392
Ant queen, the limited bomb and jank rare.
I'm going to somehow draft MM2, and I'm going to pull {Comet Storm}, {Ant Queen} and {Mystic Snake}. Just you watch.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 07, 2015, 07:39:13 PM
I'm going to somehow draft MM2, and I'm going to pull {Comet Storm}, {Ant Queen} and {Mystic Snake}. Just you watch.
Hey man ant queen is great in limited, don't get me wrong I'd rather pull a goyf or something but if you untap with ant queen you're opponents in some deeeeppp trouble.
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on May 07, 2015, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 07, 2015, 07:39:13 PM
I'm going to somehow draft MM2, and I'm going to pull {Comet Storm}, {Ant Queen} and {Mystic Snake}. Just you watch.
Hey man ant queen is great in limited, don't get me wrong I'd rather pull a goyf or something but if you untap with ant queen you're opponents in some deeeeppp trouble.
And walk away with a prize pack {Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind} when I already have a foil proxy from Llama.
Crap rares spoiled
Everything Spoiled. This looks from a limited perspective to be 50% MM1 with Goblin/Faerie/Giants tribal removed. A little disappointed that so many of the filler is M15/MM1 reprints...
{Serum Visions} notably absent. I smell a banning upcoming...
{Goblin Guide}, {Aven Mindcensor}, {Azusa Lost but Seeking} notably absent as well.
Meeeeeh
20 cards to get out of 250 cards
I smell standard reprint in serum visions. That card is not OP
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 08, 2015, 12:34:53 PM
I smell standard reprint in serum visions. That card is not OP
wouldve happened in theros block
scry mechanic wont be back for zendikar
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on May 08, 2015, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 08, 2015, 12:34:53 PM
I smell standard reprint in serum visions. That card is not OP
wouldve happened in theros block
scry mechanic wont be back for zendikar
Idk... It might. Look at how many cards with rebound were printed in KTK block. And no one was expecting that
Quote from: Cender on May 08, 2015, 11:48:24 AM
{Serum Visions} notably absent. I smell a banning upcoming...
{Goblin Guide}, {Aven Mindcensor}, {Azusa Lost but Seeking} notably absent as well.
Guide was reprinted...
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on May 08, 2015, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: Cender on May 08, 2015, 11:48:24 AM
{Serum Visions} notably absent. I smell a banning upcoming...
{Goblin Guide}, {Aven Mindcensor}, {Azusa Lost but Seeking} notably absent as well.
Guide was reprinted...
Where are you seeing this?
I'm only showing {Goblin Fireslinger} and {Goblin War Paint}, numbers 114 and 115 respectively
Quote from: rarehuntertay on May 08, 2015, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on May 08, 2015, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: Cender on May 08, 2015, 11:48:24 AM
{Serum Visions} notably absent. I smell a banning upcoming...
{Goblin Guide}, {Aven Mindcensor}, {Azusa Lost but Seeking} notably absent as well.
Guide was reprinted...
Where are you seeing this?
It was previously on the Mythic Spoiler, but never confirmed by MTG.
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on May 08, 2015, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 08, 2015, 12:34:53 PM
I smell standard reprint in serum visions. That card is not OP
wouldve happened in theros block
scry mechanic wont be back for zendikar
Maybe the last core set
According to TCG player there are currently 1,391 modern legal cards over $10 in price.... Wizards reprinted 26 of them. Good job guys. Reprinting 1.8% of the most expensive cards. That otta make the format more accessible.
modern mehsters
Quote from: Legends784 on May 08, 2015, 02:39:07 PM
According to TCG player there are currently 1,391 modern legal cards over $10 in price.... Wizards reprinted 26 of them. Good job guys. Reprinting 1.8% of the most expensive cards. That otta make the format more accessible.
Lol, let's remember some things are counted multiple times. For example, {Flooded Strand} counts Khans, Onslaught and Promo. I still can't believe that number though.....that's crazy.
Quote from: Splicer on May 08, 2015, 03:15:51 PM
Quote from: Splicer on May 05, 2015, 04:26:19 PM
Will there be another modern event deck?
We don't know, but the first one wasn't that successful. It's hard to make a real modern deck for a reasonable price without pissing a lot of people off.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 08, 2015, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: Splicer on May 08, 2015, 03:15:51 PM
Quote from: Splicer on May 05, 2015, 04:26:19 PM
Will there be another modern event deck?
We don't know, but the first one wasn't that successful. It's hard to make a real modern deck for a reasonable price without pissing a lot of people off.
Thanks, although I thought the first one was reasonably good.
Dude now that the entire set spoiler is released I'm glad I preordered 4 boxes
the last 150 cards spoiled were almost all garbage. :-(. Oh well still tons of good stuff in there.
Cancelled my box and preorderd 3 Cryptic Command and a Tarmogoyf. Saved £25 doing so.
Far too much filler to justiy the price in my opinion.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on May 08, 2015, 10:47:47 PM
Not sure if sarcasm or not
Total sarcasm. I canceled my preorder
Quote from: Falcon182 on May 08, 2015, 10:49:32 PM
the last 150 cards spoiled were almost all garbage. :-(. Oh well still tons of good stuff in there.
Yep wish they has less mythics and rares.
Anyone see some of The Mana Source's videos on this? 13/15 Mythics will make you money/break even at today's prices and only 19% of the rares. 68% of the rares are at $3 or less. To add to that the only uncommons that are money are Remand, LB, and Electro. If supply is as big as we think it is and people go hardcore drafting, those numbers could go even lower. This set really missed a lot of opportunities to be great.
Quote from: Taysby on May 14, 2015, 05:31:39 PM
One thing about that video, is it didn't give the odds of making money in a box/the average price per pack.
True, but when you are paying $10 a pack and half the rares are $0.50 or less, there is a problem
Box have EV at $190
All I want is Kozilek
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on May 14, 2015, 06:53:44 PM
Box have EV at $190
Quote from: Taysby on May 14, 2015, 10:03:45 PM
A site I saw did a simulation of 6000+ boxes and came up with ~280 tcg mid.
Two very different numbers.
Regardless, I ordered two boxes for probably $480. It depends on Llama's haggling skillz if it'll be lower. One is to draft, one is a deal I made with my fantastic grandmother that she's paying for. It's an investment and I'll sit on it for a few years.
I'm going off mtg goldfish
Also unstickying threas
Ugh
I hate ppl who ruin prices at the store you're trying to work with
Hmm. Worth it for a $35 draft my lgs or not?
Quote from: Ekann1 on May 16, 2015, 03:10:19 PM
Hmm. Worth it for a $35 draft my lgs or not?
I would.
Quote from: Ekann1 on May 16, 2015, 03:10:19 PM
Hmm. Worth it for a $35 draft my lgs or not?
They paying out mm2 packs?
Quote from: Rass on May 16, 2015, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: Ekann1 on May 16, 2015, 03:10:19 PM
Hmm. Worth it for a $35 draft my lgs or not?
They paying out mm2 packs?
Doubt it. Will have to find out though.
Quote from: Ekann1 on May 16, 2015, 05:06:02 PM
Quote from: Rass on May 16, 2015, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: Ekann1 on May 16, 2015, 03:10:19 PM
Hmm. Worth it for a $35 draft my lgs or not?
They paying out mm2 packs?
Doubt it. Will have to find out though.
I would rather just buy the packs then. Unless you can't find them for under $12
Quote from: Taysby on May 15, 2015, 03:20:21 PM
With mms1, as soon as it was announced I ran up to my game store and asked if I could preorder. They said they were doing it for MSRP at the moment. I talked to them into a little bit lower, because I didn't have that much money and I was one of their valued customers. Week of release it shot up to 280 or whatever.
Fast forward to now, they are not doing preorders at all because of me. B)
You think that is bad. Before the store that i now frequent opened the only place to get anything was a comic book store. They let people pre order FTV20 for $70 (Australian currency, when our dollar was strong, which was pretty close to MSRP at the time). Then they realised what was in it, cancelled all pre orders and sold it for $300. It pissed a lot of people off and was one of the reasons a lot of the players migrated to the new store when it opened.
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on May 16, 2015, 07:09:17 PM
Quote from: Taysby on May 15, 2015, 03:20:21 PM
With mms1, as soon as it was announced I ran up to my game store and asked if I could preorder. They said they were doing it for MSRP at the moment. I talked to them into a little bit lower, because I didn't have that much money and I was one of their valued customers. Week of release it shot up to 280 or whatever.
Fast forward to now, they are not doing preorders at all because of me. B)
You think that is bad. Before the store that i now frequent opened the only place to get anything was a comic book store. They let people pre order FTV20 for $70 (Australian currency, when our dollar was strong, which was pretty close to MSRP at the time). Then they realised what was in it, cancelled all pre orders and sold it for $300. It pissed a lot of people off and was one of the reasons a lot of the players migrated to the new store when it opened.
Can they actually do that? Well, yeah ofc since payment on delivery...
They can and did. I mean, I understand they are a business and need to make money. Hence i would have been happy to pay $100, even $120 would have been acceptable. I could even see $150 getting them some sales albeit not from me. But $300? It was disgraceful.
Especially considering that you were locked in at $70. A 400% increase is BS.
Ugh I have 2 boxes sitting in front me.
I wanna crack dat shiet
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on May 22, 2015, 03:25:25 PM
Ugh I have 2 boxes sitting in front me.
I wanna crack dat shiet
I'll help.