What happened to everybody's karma?
YAY 😆
Probably testing it, it used to be a difference of 0 now it's a difference of 100 to neutral
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 26, 2014, 12:21:58 PM
Probably testing it, it used to be a difference of 0 now it's a difference of 100 to neutral
It's weird... It will take some getting used to.
He may switch it back
I'm still at 160...?
100+ = no karma #
<100 = - karma, where the karma # = how many till you get to 100
This turtle does math! Control based build no doubt
Quote from: Taysby on November 26, 2014, 12:15:20 PM
Piotr screwed it up.
Interesting point of view, care to elaborate?
Lol. What's the point of this system, now? Granted there was no point before, but this way just seems like a way to discourage newer users
"oh cool, I got -100karma for joining the forum/making my first post. Thanks guys, feels good, I like it here"
Quote from: Gorzo on November 26, 2014, 12:58:02 PM
Lol. What's the point of this system, now? Granted there was no point before, but this way just seems like a way to discourage newer users
"oh cool, I got -100karma for joining the forum/making my first post. Thanks guys, feels good, I like it here"
Yeah, instead of climbing towards 100, I now have a goal of getting my self out of the negative and to 0! Sweet!
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 26, 2014, 12:38:09 PM
This turtle does math! Control based build no doubt
I can take derivatives too, I'm more of a home brew than control
Yeah I don't like have negative karma... I feel so dirty
Quote from: Taysby on November 26, 2014, 01:12:39 PM
Quote from: Piotr on November 26, 2014, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: Taysby on November 26, 2014, 12:15:20 PM
Piotr screwed it up.
Interesting point of view, care to elaborate?
I thought you did something to the code and had an unexpected outcome. Now that I hear the explanation, I understand. I wouldn't say "screwed it up" but it's not my favorite.
Which 'the explanation'?
I'd like having a negative total 😋
I was about to post a thread asking how my karma went from 85 to -14 in one day. What did I do wrong? D:
However this new idea is interesting, I'd like it much better if you could climb above 0, as now all the "respectable" users have no karma at all, which is weird.
The other thought is that it makes it look like we have bias against new people. "Here have a big number to get rid of before we respect you!"
Interesting...
Quote from: Taysby on November 26, 2014, 02:11:58 PM
Quote from: Piotr on November 26, 2014, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: Taysby on November 26, 2014, 01:12:39 PM
Quote from: Piotr on November 26, 2014, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: Taysby on November 26, 2014, 12:15:20 PM
Piotr screwed it up.
Interesting point of view, care to elaborate?
I thought you did something to the code and had an unexpected outcome. Now that I hear the explanation, I understand. I wouldn't say "screwed it up" but it's not my favorite.
Which 'the explanation'?
It's how many more you need to get to 100
By his question I'm getting the feeling that that explanation is more of a guess and possibly not true... Correct me if I'm wrong Piotr.
Also if that is true, I see no difference between this new system and the 2nd new one, except that you're making people start in the negatives, which seems like a bad way to make new users stay...
Good deal. I get a neg on just about every post, so I just thought you all went crazy on hating my opinions!
So basically what seems to have happened is everyone's visible karma from the previous karma update has had 100 subtracted from it?
I think just having the number shown would be nice. Cause 101 karma and 463 karma is a large difference.
Quote from: NovusOrbis on November 26, 2014, 04:07:03 PM
Good deal. I get a neg on just about every post, so I just thought you all went crazy on hating my opinions!
That's what I did.
i think he just mispelled poll and meant it as a vote
Quote from: Kaworu, the Fifth Child on November 26, 2014, 05:45:50 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on November 26, 2014, 04:07:03 PM
Good deal. I get a neg on just about every post, so I just thought you all went crazy on hating my opinions!
That's what I did.
You went hating my opinions?! :(
I sorta like the -106 😂 looks good on me
Quote from: Temur_Tendency on November 26, 2014, 11:20:27 PM
I sorta like the -106 😂 looks good on me
Ur mom looks good on you lmao
Quote from: NovusOrbis on November 26, 2014, 10:18:33 PM
Quote from: Kaworu, the Fifth Child on November 26, 2014, 05:45:50 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on November 26, 2014, 04:07:03 PM
Good deal. I get a neg on just about every post, so I just thought you all went crazy on hating my opinions!
That's what I did.
You went hating my opinions?! :(
No, your posts are awesoms. I just downvoted all your posts.
Quote from: Kaworu, the Fifth Child on November 26, 2014, 11:40:43 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on November 26, 2014, 10:18:33 PM
Quote from: Kaworu, the Fifth Child on November 26, 2014, 05:45:50 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on November 26, 2014, 04:07:03 PM
Good deal. I get a neg on just about every post, so I just thought you all went crazy on hating my opinions!
That's what I did.
You went hating my opinions?! :(
No, your posts are awesoms. I just downvoted all your posts.
Lol, whatever floats your boat!
New really stupid idea, instead of liking posts we should neg them. That way people without karma are bad and people with massively low numbers are cool. Of course newbies get a 100 point head start on some of ya'll but hey.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on November 27, 2014, 02:30:11 AM
New really stupid idea, instead of liking posts we should neg them. That way people without karma are bad and people with massively low numbers are cool. Of course newbies get a 100 point head start on some of ya'll but hey.
Guess llama and gorzo are in for a challenge now lmao
Quote from: Anoobass on November 27, 2014, 02:36:07 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on November 27, 2014, 02:30:11 AM
New really stupid idea, instead of liking posts we should neg them. That way people without karma are bad and people with massively low numbers are cool. Of course newbies get a 100 point head start on some of ya'll but hey.
Guess llama and gorzo are in for a challenge now lmao
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I'm in it as a hobby, remember ;)
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 09:24:43 AM
I'm in it as a hobby, remember ;)
Even more of a reason to leave it the way most people want it? Seeing as it isn't a business so it doesn't matter as much....
I still don't get what subtracting 100 from everyone's karma actually accomplishes.
Quote from: E.kann1 on November 27, 2014, 09:36:34 AM
I still don't get what subtracting 100 from everyone's karma actually accomplishes.
This
Quote from: E.kann1 on November 27, 2014, 09:36:34 AM
I still don't get what subtracting 100 from everyone's karma actually accomplishes.
It allows me to see people who don't get it.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:04:38 AM
So to punish us did you remove karma entirely? Now it only shows on our profiles..
Did I or did I not 'remove karma entirely'? 10 days ban for incorrect answer.
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:04:38 AM
So to punish us did you remove karma entirely? Now it only shows on our profiles..
Did I or did I not 'remove karma entirely'? 10 days ban for incorrect answer.
Karma is not visible on posts with 100 or more positive karma. For people who are under 100 karma, their number appears as the distance they need to go. For example, if I have 40 karma, it will display on posts as -60 karma. If you have actual negative karma (are below 0 on your profile page), your number will appear as -100 +(-x) where x is the number of negative karma you have. All players karma can be viewed on their profile page. This number will display the number before the shift on posts, so Gorzo will be at 400 or wherever he is. People in the negative will appear as their negative, not their negative +(-100).
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 10:33:12 AM
Quote from: E.kann1 on November 27, 2014, 09:36:34 AM
I still don't get what subtracting 100 from everyone's karma actually accomplishes.
It allows me to see people who don't get it.
Umm... ok?
Quote from: Noblellama on November 27, 2014, 11:33:12 AM
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:04:38 AM
So to punish us did you remove karma entirely? Now it only shows on our profiles..
Did I or did I not 'remove karma entirely'? 10 days ban for incorrect answer.
No way your actually that petty...
Oh, here we go again...
Quote from: E.kann1 on November 27, 2014, 11:33:45 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on November 27, 2014, 11:33:12 AM
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:04:38 AM
So to punish us did you remove karma entirely? Now it only shows on our profiles..
Did I or did I not 'remove karma entirely'? 10 days ban for incorrect answer.
No way your actually that petty...
Oh, here we go again...
Wait, woah. Did that just happen?
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on November 27, 2014, 11:35:24 AM
Quote from: E.kann1 on November 27, 2014, 11:33:45 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on November 27, 2014, 11:33:12 AM
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:04:38 AM
So to punish us did you remove karma entirely? Now it only shows on our profiles..
Did I or did I not 'remove karma entirely'? 10 days ban for incorrect answer.
No way your actually that petty...
Oh, here we go again...
Wait, woah. Did that just happen?
G_G
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:04:38 AM
So to punish us did you remove karma entirely? Now it only shows on our profiles..
Did I or did I not 'remove karma entirely'? 10 days ban for incorrect answer.
Obviously, this is your app and you are free to do what you like, but the ban was a bit rash, even if {{GlowackAttack}}'s post was a little out of line. Also, in my opinion, banning over something so small stirs up the community and may discourage new users. Is there another way this could be handled (not a rhetorical question, an honest inquiry)? That said, I honestly didn't notice the change until I read {{5/9 Turtle}}'s post, I assumed someone had necroed a thread from the first time Karma changed. The change is probably a positive or neutral change, karma really doesn't effect anything and if someone really wants to see if another user is 'trustworthy' they can still check their profile (not that karma really determines that). Although, I do see the point that others are making, maybe -100 to 0 will discourage new people, is there a way we can convert that into titles (for example, someone with -100 to -90 karma could be "Beginner", -89 to -80 a "Novice", etc.)?
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:04:38 AM
So to punish us did you remove karma entirely? Now it only shows on our profiles..
Did I or did I not 'remove karma entirely'? 10 days ban for incorrect answer.
Don't you think that's a little far? It seems to be that if what he says you don't agree with you are going to 10 day ban him. You banning him because he doesn't agree with your views seems a little over the top. That's what dictators do they get rid of people who don't agree with them, by you saying that you're starting to become a dictator. Do you really want this to happen?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 27, 2014, 11:46:51 AM
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:04:38 AM
So to punish us did you remove karma entirely? Now it only shows on our profiles..
Did I or did I not 'remove karma entirely'? 10 days ban for incorrect answer.
Obviously, this is your app and you are free to do what you like, but the ban was a bit rash, even if {{GlowackAttack}}'s post was a little out of line. Also, in my opinion, banning over something so small stirs up the community and may discourage new users. Is there another way this could be handled (not a rhetorical question, an honest inquiry)? That said, I honestly didn't notice the change until I read {{5/9 Turtle}}'s post, I assumed someone had necroed a thread from the first time Karma changed. The change is probably a positive or neutral change, karma really doesn't effect anything and if someone really wants to see if another user is 'trustworthy' they can still check their profile (not that karma really determines that). Although, I do see the point that others are making, maybe -100 to 0 will discourage new people, is there a way we can convert that into titles (for example, someone with -100 to -90 karma could be "Beginner", -89 to -80 a "Novice", etc.)?
Piotr doesn't seem interested in necessarily keeping new people... unless I am misunderstanding his response to that exact point...
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 09:24:43 AM
I'm in it as a hobby, remember ;)
Did people just miss the entire thing I wrote out :P
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 27, 2014, 11:46:51 AM
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:04:38 AM
So to punish us did you remove karma entirely? Now it only shows on our profiles..
Did I or did I not 'remove karma entirely'? 10 days ban for incorrect answer.
Obviously, this is your app and you are free to do what you like, but the ban was a bit rash, even if {{GlowackAttack}}'s post was a little out of line. Also, in my opinion, banning over something so small stirs up the community and may discourage new users. Is there another way this could be handled (not a rhetorical question, an honest inquiry)? That said, I honestly didn't notice the change until I read {{5/9 Turtle}}'s post, I assumed someone had necroed a thread from the first time Karma changed. The change is probably a positive or neutral change, karma really doesn't effect anything and if someone really wants to see if another user is 'trustworthy' they can still check their profile (not that karma really determines that). Although, I do see the point that others are making, maybe -100 to 0 will discourage new people, is there a way we can convert that into titles (for example, someone with -100 to -90 karma could be "Beginner", -89 to -80 a "Novice", etc.)?
GlowackAttack got confused, he didn't realize that if you have perfect karma, no karma shows up. So he thought that you (Piotr) erased it. Instead of banning him for making an incorrect statement, maybe you could have instead showed him where he was wrong?
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on November 27, 2014, 11:52:09 AM
Did people just miss the entire thing I wrote out :P
but now karma doesn't show up at all on the actual threads,only on our profiles.
Not true. Look at people who haven't hit 100 (intelligentgentleman).
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on November 27, 2014, 11:52:09 AM
Did people just miss the entire thing I wrote out :P
Not people, just mob ;)
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on November 27, 2014, 11:52:09 AM
Did people just miss the entire thing I wrote out :P
but now karma doesn't show up at all on the actual threads,only on our profiles.
Incorrect answer, 10 days ban ;)
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on November 27, 2014, 11:52:09 AM
Did people just miss the entire thing I wrote out :P
Not people, just mob ;)
Not everyone is in the mob mentality (at least not this time). I saw Truffle's post, but it was already established what was changed, I think that the debate has now shifted to whether or not this change is positive.
😳
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on November 27, 2014, 11:52:09 AM
Did people just miss the entire thing I wrote out :P
but now karma doesn't show up at all on the actual threads,only on our profiles.
Incorrect answer, 10 days ban ;)
To be fair, he did correct himself:
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 12:02:45 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on November 27, 2014, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on November 27, 2014, 11:52:09 AM
Did people just miss the entire thing I wrote out :P
but now karma doesn't show up at all on the actual threads,only on our profiles.
Not true. Look at people who haven't hit 100 (intelligentgentleman).
I SEE NOW MY MISTAKE, it just so happened that an entire page of posts didn't have anybody with less than 100 karma... HOWEVER, it still should be put back the way it ways way back when...
To be fair, does it matter?
The whole " 5 pages of discussing what happened to our karma " must prove that SOME people must think that it matters...
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 12:33:29 PM
To be fair, does it matter?
It should be taken into account when the punishments are distributed. (IMO) Whether that changes the punishment or not, I don't know.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 12:59:39 PM
I don't understand why we just can't have a vote.
It is not your property.
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 12:59:39 PM
I don't understand why we just can't have a vote.
It is not your property.
That makes sense, though I don't see the disadvantage to leaving it to a vote.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 01:33:03 PM
I understand it's your forum, but what harm is there in allowing the people who frequent the forum to decide how they want it to appear? It's not like it's a change which will directly affect you financially, it would just be really nice to have the desires of the users be at least acknowledged. What are your reasons for not letting it be put to a vote? And the "it's my property card" is one you commonly fall back on, besides tht what reason do you have against it?
Plus, if you anger the people on "your property" (the forum) it will make them want to stop using "your property" (the forum [or even the app]) and then you would not be able to sustain "your property" (app, forums and the community in its entirety).... Just my 2¢
Quote from: Popper23345 on November 27, 2014, 01:39:10 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 01:33:03 PM
I understand it's your forum, but what harm is there in allowing the people who frequent the forum to decide how they want it to appear? It's not like it's a change which will directly affect you financially, it would just be really nice to have the desires of the users be at least acknowledged. What are your reasons for not letting it be put to a vote? And the "it's my property card" is one you commonly fall back on, besides tht what reason do you have against it?
Plus, if you anger the people on "your property" (the forum) it will make them want to stop using "your property" (the forum [or even the app]) and then you would not be able to sustain "your property" (app, forums and the community in its entirety).... Just my 2¢
See last time he created a mob people left but most stayed so this doesn't really happen
Newer people seem to be affected by karma status rather than older members.
It takes time to surpass 100( like 6 months) but eventually you just stop looking at that number.
You will get random negs due to someone thinking you did not like their post (I know this because I can see who marks)
In the end, karma goes up for strong traders and strong communicators in areas like rules and combos
A negative number is something we have been taught to not desire, but its just a number, and the karma actually has helped trading be much more secure
Change happens people
It's not the end of the imtg experience
So I might have missed this, but how does the new karma system work? I have under 100 karma, but there is not negative for me??
Please explain in smallish words what the goal of the change is as well. It seems like it may annoy many people for no good reason
Quote from: VQMracing on November 27, 2014, 02:58:22 PM
So I might have missed this, but how does the new karma system work? I have under 100 karma, but there is not negative for me??
im guessing if you are a "boss" it doesnt show up? I agree with everyone that wants to show the whole karma either positive or negative under our names, however we all may be over reacting to this. I mean, you can still click on someones profile and see their karma, so if someone is posting weird or annoying crap, thats what i always do anyways to see their "history" on the forum and check their percentage of thumbs up to understand if that person is just a difficult person or if they just didnt like a post or said something unpopular. In the end we are all still talking here and using this and trading, and communicating and having fun. Karma never stopped to trade with someone, the trusted trader posts is where i check first. if it stays like this or goes back to the way it was, or even the way it was before i started using the forum i think we'll be fine in the end. I mean.. Are you not entertained? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED????
^ earnin karma like a boss!
Does anyone think that the ten day ban is still a little over excessive to have just pulled it out so fast?
I don't think anyone was banned...?
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 27, 2014, 04:02:44 PM
^ earnin karma like a boss!
lol with the best of intentions!!
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on November 27, 2014, 04:15:48 PM
I don't think anyone was banned...?
yeah i dont think anyone was banned. I think he was just kidding
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 04:27:11 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on November 27, 2014, 04:14:09 PM
Does anyone think that the ten day ban is still a little over excessive to have just pulled it out so fast?
I'm still here. Not sure if it was a bluff or an attempt at a joke or whatever.
You mean a lie? But Grand Master Piotr would NEVER violate his own rules like a hypocritical child narcissist. Not never ever!
Quote from: Gorzo on November 27, 2014, 04:45:12 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 04:27:11 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on November 27, 2014, 04:14:09 PM
Does anyone think that the ten day ban is still a little over excessive to have just pulled it out so fast?
I'm still here. Not sure if it was a bluff or an attempt at a joke or whatever.
You mean a lie? But Grand Master Piotr would NEVER violate his own rules like a hypocritical child narcissist. Not never ever!
So you advise to ban the guy even if he corrected himself?
Quote from: Piotr on November 27, 2014, 05:10:57 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on November 27, 2014, 04:45:12 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 04:27:11 PM
Quote from: 5/9 Turtle on November 27, 2014, 04:14:09 PM
Does anyone think that the ten day ban is still a little over excessive to have just pulled it out so fast?
I'm still here. Not sure if it was a bluff or an attempt at a joke or whatever.
You mean a lie? But Grand Master Piotr would NEVER violate his own rules like a hypocritical child narcissist. Not never ever!
So you advise to ban the guy even if he corrected himself?
Incorrect 10 day ban
This is the most dramatic community ever sometimes. I'm being hypocritical here since I joined the mob last time, but this is big karma change #391747291. What's the point in worrying about it? Piotr doesn't seem to give a single .love. about what people say about the karma. Just roll with the changes, guys. Makes things easier for everyone 😉
Quote from: Silent1236 on November 27, 2014, 05:27:19 PM
Just roll with the changes, guys. Makes things easier for everyone 😉
I can't live with change, and I have strong feelings about dollar coins too. But seriously, this is Piotr's sandbox, live with it, or get out, and use one of the many other forums to discuss magic.
Quote from: VQMracing on November 27, 2014, 02:58:22 PM
So I might have missed this, but how does the new karma system work? I have under 100 karma, but there is not negative for me??
I have no idea what the actual process is. I have barely more karma than you and it shows -73.
Edit: well, it did. Ah well. I never would've noticed if I hadn't gotten a PM about it.
Have we not already established that piotr doesnt give a .love. what people want, or care what they think?
Quote from: Temur_Tendency on November 29, 2014, 11:29:22 AM
Have we not already established that piotr doesnt give a .love. what people want, or care what they think?
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