first off, if any of you know of a super degenerate deck, let me know. Assuming this is my best option...
My playgroup will regret they ever banned narset from use!!! >:D
What janky combos can I add in for insta wins?
Commander
{zur the enchanter}
Insta-Win Combo
{necropotence}
{helm of obedience}
{rest in peace}
{leyline of the void}
{goblin charbelcher}
{mana severance}
{mind over matter}
{near death experience}
{stroke of genius}
Other Combos
{Grim Monolith}
{basalt monolith}
{mana vault}
{power artifact}
Mana Acceleration
{sol ring}
{mana crypt}
{lion's eye diamond}
{chrome mox}
{mox diamond}
{high tide}
{dark ritual}
Counterspells
{annul}
{counterspell}
{mana drain}
{mana leak}
{remand}
{cryptic command}
{cancel}
{dissolve}
Wraths
{wrath of god}
{day of judgement}
{supreme verdict}
{damnation}
{destroy all non-enchanted creatures}
Commander Damage Win
{diplomatic immunity}
{daybreak coronet}
{battle mastery}
{ethereal armor}
{steel of the godhead}
Tutors
{demonic tutor}
{vampiric tutor}
{imperial seal}
{grim tutor}
{mystical tutor}
{enlightened tutor}
{fabricate}
{tezzeret the seeker}
Value
{swiftfoot boots}
{lightning greaves}
{detention sphere}
{oblivion ring}
{nevermore}
{propaganda}
{standstill}
{time twister}
{memory jar}
{phyrexian unlife}
{ghostly prison}
{standstill}
{copy enchantment}
{replenish}
{sudden spoiling}
{phyrexian arena}
Creatures
{trinket mage}
Lands
{Tundra}
{Underground Sea}
{Flooded Strand}
{Polluted Delta}
{Scalding Tarn}
{Marsh Flats}
{Mystic Gate}
{Hallowed Fountain}
{Watery Grave}
{City of Brass}
{Mana Confluence}
{Command Tower}
{Cavern of Souls}
{Adarkar Wastes}
{Minamo, School at Water's Edge}
{Ancient Tomb}
{Untaidake, the Cloud Keeper}
{City of Traitors}
{Crystal Vein}
{Maze of Ith}
{Hall of the Bandit Lord}
{Dust Bowl}
{Strip Mine}
{Rishadan Port}
{Wasteland}
{vesuva}
{eiganjo Castle}
{flagstones of trokair}
{riptide laboratory}
{serra's Sanctum}
{shizo, death's storehouse}
{urborg, tomb of yawgmoth}
5 Basics
Can you add {} to them so we can see what cards they are?
do you really play with a sideboard in your edh play group? or is it more like a maybeboard?
and dang your playgroup banned narset after you dropped all that the deck? rough. zur is just as degenerate though se be prepared to get him banned as well.
{Diplomatic Immunity}. It should always be the first thing you grab.
Quote from: Taysby on November 02, 2014, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on November 02, 2014, 09:17:32 PM
{Diplomatic Immunity}. It should always be the first thing you grab.
But shroud. I can't keep enchanting him after if desired.
Actually, since Zur brings enchantments directly to the battlefield, they don't target. So you can attach an aura to him by using his ability even if he has shroud.
7/15/2006: If you use Zur the Enchanter's triggered ability to search for an Aura, it will be put onto the battlefield attached to an appropriate permanent. It doesn't target that permanent. If no appropriate permanent exists for it to be attached to, that Aura can't be put onto the battlefield and stays in your library.
Quote from: Spikepit on November 01, 2014, 03:18:13 AM
They don't want to change their decks?! No EDH deck is ever 'finished'!!! Please, on behalf appreciative-of-good-decklist players, at least hold it over them for ever! Hahahaha!
Edit: and go into your next match with a Zur deck, haha!
Oh my goodness, NO TAYSBY! I WAS KIDDING! It will destroy your soul! Hahaha
But seriously, I used to run one casually back in the day and I can honestly say, less creatures more enchants. Reduce the 8 or so you've got to 4 or 5, if even that many. Zur is all the Attack you'll need. Especially with all the Enchant recursion available now.
So have a look at the stickied thread called Community Deck Spotlight, find the Esperian colour section and three there are quite good examples, especially Coffee Vampire's.
I'd say remove most creatures, leaving behind the ones concerned with enchants only PLUS {Umbra Mystic} to keep him alive.
More basic land to be safe. I'm less concerned with tutors in a Zur deck. Maybe {Invincibility} and others from more recent sets, this deck list looks a little old from a quick scan of the list.
Yeah sweet! Ah you'll have a ball with Zur considering the way I can't tell you like play EDH.
As you can tell, I love me some Zur EDH, but it did begin to paint a target on your forehead. Fun you the pilot of the deck, not fun for the others. Most hilarious match I ever had with with guy as my commander was vs a {Uril, the Miststalker} deck. It was both like a race and a super evenly matched, Wolverine vs Kratos battle.
{Replenish} for sweeps/mass destruction and {Nevermore} for pesky commanders.
I just remembered: I ran a {Sun Titan} to much avail with Zur too.
Your gonna want board wipes, token decks are the babe of Zur I gave learned, {supreme verdict}, {wrath of god}, {terminus}, there is also one which destroys non enchanted creatures but I can't recall it at the moment, {sudden Spoiling} is also very useful. Fewer creatures but I would use these three for sure {royal assassian}, {intrepid hero}, and {bruna, light of alabaster} works amazingly if u get wiped and ur enchants are in the graveyard. Cards like {oblivion ring}, {necropotence}, {prison term} and {nevermore} also help when ur gears get a wrench in them.
I'd add a {high market} it'll protect Zur from tuck spells like {terminus}, and it's balls to the wall crazy with academy rector
Quote from: Taysby on November 03, 2014, 11:55:15 AM
what do you guys think of {trinket mage} to search out my ramp/top/etc?
Seems not too bad but I'd throw in the artifact lands just because he can get them.
Quote from: Taysby on November 03, 2014, 12:41:46 PM
does paying life count as damage? {necropotence} + {phyrexian unlife} to litterally draw my whole deck.
also, {necropotence} + {near death experience}
no. when you take damage, you lose life, not the other way around. when you pay life, you are not taking damage. even with {phyrexian unlife} on the field, you cant pay life you dont have, so once you get to 1 life, {necropotence} stops letting you draw cards.
Quote from: Taysby on November 03, 2014, 02:38:01 PM
Any ideas to make my land base better?
Use all 9 fetches that are in your color
Just realised, be expecting an {Ob Nixilis, Unshackled} deck next time after you use this one.
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What would you do for something like {Stranglehold}?
Spikepit, look what you've done.
I feel dirty.
Ya know. If you really wanted to you could play enchantment creatures
Quote from: Munchlax on November 04, 2014, 07:25:07 AM
Ya know. If you really wanted to you could play enchantment creatures
Sadly not really, the deck he's building (or I should say decks he builds) are too competitive for that. Would be an interesting take on zur though if SOMEONE played casual zur.
Quote from: JordanCirk on November 04, 2014, 08:23:43 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on November 04, 2014, 07:25:07 AM
Ya know. If you really wanted to you could play enchantment creatures
Sadly not really, the deck he's building (or I should say decks he builds) are too competitive for that. Would be an interesting take on zur though if SOMEONE played casual zur.
plus, even if you did grab a {hopeful eidolan}, it would enter as an enhanment creature, and would not be an aura attached to zur. bestow only works when casting.
Quote from: particle on November 04, 2014, 09:42:45 AM
Quote from: JordanCirk on November 04, 2014, 08:23:43 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on November 04, 2014, 07:25:07 AM
Ya know. If you really wanted to you could play enchantment creatures
Sadly not really, the deck he's building (or I should say decks he builds) are too competitive for that. Would be an interesting take on zur though if SOMEONE played casual zur.
plus, even if you did grab a {hopeful eidolan}, it would enter as an enhanment creature, and would not be an aura attached to zur. bestow only works when casting.
The Eidolon would still a legal target for Zur's ability. All Zur cares for is if the enchantment has a CC less than or equal to 3. Sure, bestow won't work, but then you'd get an additional creature on the field.
For reference, here are all the creatures Zur can grab if he is your Commander: http://magiccards.info/query?q=c%21wub+cmc%3C%3D3+t%3A%22enchantment+creature%22&v=card&s=cname
Quote from: particle on November 04, 2014, 09:42:45 AM
Quote from: JordanCirk on November 04, 2014, 08:23:43 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on November 04, 2014, 07:25:07 AM
Ya know. If you really wanted to you could play enchantment creatures
Sadly not really, the deck he's building (or I should say decks he builds) are too competitive for that. Would be an interesting take on zur though if SOMEONE played casual zur.
plus, even if you did grab a {hopeful eidolan}, it would enter as an enhanment creature, and would not be an aura attached to zur. bestow only works when casting.
I never said anything about bestowing them...
main problem is of the colors avalible to zur only a few enchantment/creatures cost 3 or less
Quote from: AdamS on November 08, 2014, 10:08:08 PM
main problem is of the colors avalible to zur only a few enchantment/creatures cost 3 or less
Only about 326...
http://magiccards.info/query?q=c%21wub+cmc%3D3+t%3A%22enchantment%22&v=card&s=cname
Quote from: rarehuntertay on November 08, 2014, 10:21:08 PM
Quote from: AdamS on November 08, 2014, 10:08:08 PM
main problem is of the colors avalible to zur only a few enchantment/creatures cost 3 or less
Only about 326...
http://magiccards.info/query?q=c%21wub+cmc%3D3+t%3A%22enchantment%22&v=card&s=cname
i was refering to the cards that are both enchantment and creature for example {Athreos, God of Passage} or {Celestial Archon} most of the good are out of color range or cost more than 3
Quote from: AdamS on November 08, 2014, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on November 08, 2014, 10:21:08 PM
Quote from: AdamS on November 08, 2014, 10:08:08 PM
main problem is of the colors avalible to zur only a few enchantment/creatures cost 3 or less
Only about 326...
http://magiccards.info/query?q=c%21wub+cmc%3D3+t%3A%22enchantment%22&v=card&s=cname
i was refering to the cards that are both enchantment and creature for example {Athreos, God of Passage} or {Celestial Archon} most of the good are out of color range or cost more than 3
Ah ok. There are 30 that fit that criteria. Some are decent. Taysby is already aware of this
It sounds like the issue is your playgroup, not the decks you're building.
Taysby, do you know how to make nice decks?
Quote from: Taysby on November 23, 2014, 10:12:37 AM
what would a nice deck be thats still really good?
Zedruu control.
My list has been described as pure control simply because everyone is forced to do what I want and if they don't I screw them over with negative effects and board wipes and counterspells
Quote from: Taysby on November 23, 2014, 10:12:37 AM
what would a nice deck be thats still really good?
I disagree. This deck is nice to your self confidence. Because it never loses. Lol.
Cancel should be {Dissipate}