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Title: How Red works in standard?
Post by: Destore117 on October 19, 2014, 11:23:06 PM
So obviously this would be kinda like a dream hand scenario.

Mountain {Monastery Swiftspear} swing for 1
Mountain {Titan's strength} X2 swing for 9
T3 do whatever swift spear is amazing?

Is this how standard {R} works pretty much?
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: MuggyWuggy on October 19, 2014, 11:45:05 PM
RDW was in finals for GPLA

So red is not dead
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 12:34:18 AM
Red Deck wins will always be a thing which is sad bc magic should be won by skill ...
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: LinkCelestrial on October 20, 2014, 01:29:19 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 12:34:18 AM
Red Deck wins will always be a thing which is sad bc magic should be won by skill ...

It is won by skill. In building a deck that can beat it.
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: rarehuntertay on October 20, 2014, 06:13:30 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 20, 2014, 01:29:19 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 12:34:18 AM
Red Deck wins will always be a thing which is sad bc magic should be won by skill ...

It is won by skill. In building a deck that can beat it.
And playing a RDW does take skill. It make look simple to pilot, but it isn't. Playing the wrong creature, playing the wrong spell at the wrong time, attacking when you shouldn't... One mistake like that and the other deck will  {Decimate} you. You have to sequence your plays in the proper order, or you will lose.
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: Ekann1 on October 20, 2014, 06:55:18 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 20, 2014, 06:13:30 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 20, 2014, 01:29:19 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 12:34:18 AM
Red Deck wins will always be a thing which is sad bc magic should be won by skill ...

It is won by skill. In building a deck that can beat it.
And playing a RDW does take skill. It make look simple to pilot, but it isn't. Playing the wrong creature, playing the wrong spell at the wrong time, attacking when you shouldn't... One mistake like that and the other deck will  {Decimate} you. You have to sequence your plays in the proper order, or you will lose.
This. It takes a lot more skill than most people think. Also takes skill to build the correct version of it...
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 11:45:45 AM
I respectfully disagree :D I agree that it's powerful and definitely Tier 1 but it'll be hard to convince me the skills aspect ... Sorry if I annoy you guys lol :(
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: rarehuntertay on October 20, 2014, 12:03:20 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 11:45:45 AM
I respectfully disagree :D I agree that it's powerful and definitely Tier 1 but it'll be hard to convince me the skills aspect ... Sorry if I annoy you guys lol :(
Build the deck and play 20 or more games with it. Then you will start to see the subtleties with the deck and how "brainless" it really is. Don't knock something until you try it... 😜
It's all good Mattao... Just everyone voicing their opinions.
On another note: Great article on SCG from Anthony Lowry on the very subject we are discussing: http://www.starcitygames.com/article/29551_How-To-Attack.html
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 12:10:13 PM
I understand that in every deck there's different plays that aren't obvious but {Titans Strength} on your upkeep doesn't make you a genius lol
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: Destore117 on October 20, 2014, 01:09:35 PM
Still. It can be dealt with something as simple as  {Ulcerate} or  {Magma Spray} (obviously. Depending on plays.)

Although
3 life for a stupid 1 drop with a spear is quite annoying XD
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: lotrwk on October 20, 2014, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 12:10:13 PM
I understand that in every deck there's different plays that aren't obvious but {Titans Strength} on your upkeep doesn't make you a genius lol
Neither does {dissolve} your threat...
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: lotrwk on October 20, 2014, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 12:10:13 PM
I understand that in every deck there's different plays that aren't obvious but {Titans Strength} on your upkeep doesn't make you a genius lol
Neither does {dissolve} your threat...

Lol true but dissolving the wrong thing is wrong so it still takes more skill than titans stretching on upkeep. Sometimes you let them have a wingmate roc and then you end next turn and sometimes you counter a dumb spell just for the scry
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: MuggyWuggy on October 20, 2014, 03:43:48 PM
Pretty sure wizards designed this game for all different MO's of play style, neither is more appropriate than the other
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on October 20, 2014, 03:43:48 PM
Pretty sure wizards designed this game for all different MO's of play style, neither is more appropriate than the other

I know I'm just being bitter :( sorry bad day
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: Destore117 on October 20, 2014, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on October 20, 2014, 03:43:48 PM
Pretty sure wizards designed this game for all different MO's of play style, neither is more appropriate than the other

I know I'm just being bitter :( sorry bad day
Did someone have a bad experience of mono {R}?
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: Mattao19 on October 20, 2014, 08:47:42 PM
I didn't play today lol just a bad personal day exams essays presentations and life are all getting quite busy :P
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: Hunteroffire9 on October 20, 2014, 09:42:04 PM
by the way.. you can get a super rare turn three kill with:

turn 1: play monastery, attack, opponent at 19
turn 2: play 2 monasteries attack for 3, opponent 16
turn 3: 3 titans strenghs, attack for 21..

although its super cool, I just like knowing im playing a deck with a turn 3 kill.
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: Destore117 on October 20, 2014, 09:48:48 PM
Well there's the {retraction helix} {Briber's Purse} {Jeskai ascendancy}
Title: Re: How Red works in standard?
Post by: blackychan1 on October 21, 2014, 01:41:42 AM
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on October 20, 2014, 09:42:04 PM
by the way.. you can get a super rare turn three kill with:

turn 1: play monastery, attack, opponent at 19
turn 2: play 2 monasteries attack for 3, opponent 16
turn 3: 3 titans strenghs, attack for 21..

although its super cool, I just like knowing im playing a deck with a turn 3 kill.
Or:
T1: {satyr hoplite}
T2 {hammerhand} {titans strength} attack for 7 (their creature cannot block)
T3 {Hammerhand} {Titans strength} {Titans strength} swing for 17 (their creature cannot block.)

I did this last Friday.